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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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THE FALL OF THE ATHENIAN EMPIRE<br />

At first, it might seem that <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nian envoys were straining at<br />

a gnat after having swallowed a camel, for surely <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians could<br />

not claim <strong>the</strong> right to prevent <strong>the</strong> Persian king from doing as he liked<br />

in <strong>the</strong> waters <strong>of</strong>f his own coasts. <strong>The</strong> fact is, however, that although<br />

<strong>the</strong> Persians had lost control <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong>ir Aegean coast in <strong>the</strong> years since<br />

<strong>the</strong> invasion <strong>of</strong> 48o/79, <strong>the</strong>y retained control at least <strong>of</strong> Dascylium on<br />

<strong>the</strong> nor<strong>the</strong>rn shore <strong>of</strong> Asia Minor, facing <strong>the</strong> Hellespont, and <strong>of</strong> ports<br />

on <strong>the</strong> sou<strong>the</strong>rn shore as well. <strong>The</strong>y might have moved ships into <strong>the</strong><br />

Aegean or <strong>the</strong> Hellespont, but since mid-century <strong>the</strong>y had not done<br />

so. <strong>The</strong> likeliest explanation is that <strong>the</strong>y were prevented from doing<br />

so by <strong>the</strong> Peace <strong>of</strong> Callias, made with <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians probably in 449·,.<br />

Whe<strong>the</strong>r or not <strong>the</strong>re had been a formal treaty, and <strong>the</strong> debate continues,<br />

<strong>the</strong> Persians seem to have accepted <strong>the</strong> terms attributed to it de facto.<br />

For four decades, no Persian fleet had threatened A<strong>the</strong>ns' security,<br />

but now <strong>the</strong> Great King wanted a change. Even a victory over <strong>the</strong><br />

<strong>Peloponnesian</strong>s would not be worth making an agreement that would<br />

allow <strong>the</strong> Persians to bring fleets into <strong>the</strong> Aegean and Hellespont,<br />

where <strong>the</strong>y could cut <strong>of</strong>f A<strong>the</strong>nian supplies and attack A<strong>the</strong>ns, and<br />

whatever allies remained to it, at any time. <strong>The</strong> envoys could not agree<br />

to such terms because no free A<strong>the</strong>nian assembly would accept <strong>the</strong>m.<br />

<strong>The</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians, angry with Alcibiades, refused and broke <strong>of</strong>f negtiations.<br />

<strong>The</strong>y believed that he had deceived <strong>the</strong>m and was unwilling<br />

to persuade Tissaphernes to propose acceptable terms. At least, Alcibiades<br />

had succeeded in maintaining <strong>the</strong> illusion <strong>of</strong> his power over<br />

Tissaphernes. 25<br />

<strong>The</strong> frustrated and angry ambassadors returned to Samos toward<br />

<strong>the</strong> end <strong>of</strong> March." <strong>The</strong> fiasco at <strong>the</strong> court <strong>of</strong> Tissaphernes put an end<br />

to <strong>the</strong> negotiations with Alcibiades. At a discussion within <strong>the</strong> movement,<br />

it was decided "to let Alcibiades alone, since he refused to join<br />

<strong>the</strong>m, and besides, he was not a suitable man to come into an oligarchy.""<br />

Alcibiades' behavior at <strong>the</strong> negotiations had plainly convinced<br />

most <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> conspirators that he had been leading <strong>the</strong>m on and<br />

had no intention <strong>of</strong> bringing Tissaphernes and <strong>the</strong> Persians over to<br />

<strong>the</strong>ir side. That belief probably gave vent to what must have been an<br />

C, which reads imrrWv. For a dcfense <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> reading accepted here and good discussions<br />

<strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> issues, see HCT V, IJ4-f35, and Lewis, Sparta and Persia, 101, n. 74·<br />

24 <strong>Kagan</strong>, Outbreak, 107.<br />

25B.s6.s.<br />

2<br />

'13.63·3· For <strong>the</strong> date, see HCT V, 154·<br />

I78.6J·4·

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