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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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32 THE FALL OF THE ATHENIAN EMPIRE<br />

motion-news <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nian disaster in Sicily. <strong>The</strong>re is no chronological<br />

barrier to such an interpretation, which seems far more attractive<br />

than an unsupported reliance on Andocides. <strong>The</strong> Sicilian<br />

defeat came in September, and <strong>the</strong> Persian mission to Sparta could<br />

have come as late as March in <strong>the</strong> following year, a period <strong>of</strong> at least<br />

five months, which was plenty <strong>of</strong> time for <strong>the</strong> Great King to get <strong>the</strong><br />

news, to decide on a change <strong>of</strong> policy, to communicate it to his satraps,<br />

and for <strong>the</strong>m to send embassies to Sparta. 33 If we accept <strong>the</strong> significance<br />

<strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Sicilian disaster in <strong>the</strong> Persian decision, <strong>the</strong> date <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nian<br />

treaty with Amorges in relation to <strong>the</strong> Persian negotiations with Sparta<br />

becomes less important, and we can better understand Thucydides'<br />

lack <strong>of</strong> interest in precision on this point. After <strong>the</strong> news <strong>of</strong> Sicily<br />

reached Persia, <strong>the</strong> Great King could be expected to seek <strong>the</strong> recovery<br />

<strong>of</strong> his lost domain from a badly wounded A<strong>the</strong>ns and to join with<br />

Sparta to achieve those ends. If Amorges sought A<strong>the</strong>nian help in <strong>the</strong><br />

autumn or winter <strong>of</strong> 413!I2, <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians would not have been reckless<br />

or foolish to accept. "It was <strong>the</strong>ir best chance <strong>of</strong> keeping <strong>the</strong><br />

Persians busy and giving <strong>the</strong>m no opportunity to assist Sparta in 'liberating'<br />

<strong>the</strong> cities <strong>of</strong> lonia. " 34 Whe<strong>the</strong>r <strong>the</strong> Persians had already begun<br />

discussions with Sparta, as <strong>the</strong> silence <strong>of</strong> Thucydides powerfully argues,<br />

or would do so soon, as acceptance <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> chronology <strong>of</strong> Andocides<br />

indicates, makes little difference. Reality required a positive<br />

response. "In <strong>the</strong> desperate situation in which <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians found<br />

<strong>the</strong>mselves <strong>the</strong>ir decision to cooperate with Amorges was not foolhardy<br />

but perfectly reasonable. " 35<br />

That <strong>the</strong> envoys from <strong>the</strong> Persian satraps went not to Agis but<br />

directly to Sparta was, no doubt, both normal and natural, although<br />

<strong>the</strong>y may also have learned <strong>of</strong> Agis' negotiations with <strong>the</strong> Euboeans<br />

and Lesbians. <strong>The</strong>y were not, in any case, acting in concert but as<br />

rivals, each trying to win Spartan support for a rebellion against A<strong>the</strong>ns<br />

in his own province. Each wanted to bring back <strong>the</strong> Greek cities under<br />

33<br />

Lewis (Sparta and Persia, 87, n. 25) says <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> chronology proposed here that "it<br />

is likely to be a tight fit" and leans toward <strong>the</strong> <strong>the</strong>ory <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nian treaty with<br />

Amorges as a cause <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Persian volte face. He concedes that <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r interpretation<br />

"is perhaps possible," but his arguments against it are limited to <strong>the</strong> following assertion:<br />

"it seems unlikely that <strong>the</strong> King can have had reliable news <strong>of</strong> it until well on in<br />

November." On <strong>the</strong> contrary, such astonishing and important news would probably<br />

have traveled faster than most. In any case, a November date for <strong>the</strong> king's reception<br />

<strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> information in no way excludes <strong>the</strong> chronology suggested here.<br />

34<br />

A. G. Woodhead, Thucydides on <strong>the</strong> Nature <strong>of</strong> Power (Cambridge, Mass., 1970), I47·<br />

35<br />

Westlake, Phoenix XXXI (1977), 329.

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