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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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THE COUP 155<br />

to A<strong>the</strong>ns with Alcibiades in 407. 92 In 406 <strong>the</strong> two men served toge<strong>the</strong>r<br />

as trierarchs at <strong>the</strong> battle <strong>of</strong> Arginusae, both were assigned by <strong>the</strong><br />

generals to help <strong>the</strong> men on <strong>the</strong> disabled vessels, and both stood side<br />

by side during <strong>the</strong> trial!' After <strong>the</strong> war <strong>the</strong> two men took different<br />

paths in response to <strong>the</strong> defeat. Thrasybulus, exiled by <strong>the</strong> Thirty,<br />

organized an army <strong>of</strong> liberation against <strong>the</strong> government <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Thirty<br />

installed by <strong>the</strong> Spartans. <strong>The</strong>ramenes stayed in A<strong>the</strong>ns, became a<br />

member <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Thirty, and worked consistently and bravely, ultimately<br />

at <strong>the</strong> cost <strong>of</strong> his life, to turn it into a moderate regime. In his speech<br />

defending himself against <strong>the</strong> assault <strong>of</strong>Critias, he named Thtasybulus<br />

among <strong>the</strong> "capable leaders" <strong>the</strong> Thirty had foolishly banished_.' It is<br />

noteworthy that after his death <strong>the</strong> Thirty thought it reasonable to<br />

invite Thrasybulus to take his place among <strong>the</strong>ir number. 95<br />

However, <strong>the</strong> two did not hold identical views. It may be that<br />

Thrasybulus was willing to limit democracy only temporarily and for<br />

purely practical reasons. <strong>The</strong>ramenes seems to have preferred a limited<br />

democracy to <strong>the</strong> full one favored by most A<strong>the</strong>nians. Thrasybulus<br />

seems to have mistrusted <strong>the</strong> oligarchs entirely after his experience<br />

with <strong>the</strong> conspiracy <strong>of</strong> 4"· <strong>The</strong>ramenes, to <strong>the</strong> end, expected to be<br />

able to guide <strong>the</strong> oligarchic movement toward a moderate constitution<br />

not too far from democracy. But from 4" to <strong>the</strong> end <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> war, <strong>the</strong>y<br />

worked toge<strong>the</strong>r closely and effectively, pursuing <strong>the</strong> same policies<br />

and holding <strong>the</strong> same <strong>of</strong>fices under different regimes. Nobody, in<br />

antiquity or in modern times, thought to charge Thrasybulus with<br />

inconstancy or self-seeking. He built an army in exile and restored<br />

a democracy considerably more moderate than <strong>the</strong> one destroyed by<br />

<strong>the</strong> Spartan victory. 96 On <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r hand, ra<strong>the</strong>r than endure <strong>the</strong> true,<br />

narrow, oligarchy imposed by Critias, <strong>The</strong>ramenes protested, at <strong>the</strong><br />

cost <strong>of</strong> his life, against <strong>the</strong> exile <strong>of</strong> worthy men and <strong>the</strong> narrowing <strong>of</strong><br />

<strong>the</strong> franchise beyond moderation. <strong>The</strong> difference between <strong>The</strong>ramenes<br />

and Thrasybulus appears to have been one <strong>of</strong> emphasis, personal style,<br />

and temperament more than <strong>of</strong> basic political ideas and personal<br />

integrity.<br />

To be sure, in each regime <strong>The</strong>ramenes sought <strong>of</strong>fice and influence<br />

nDiod. IJ.IB.z-64.3; Nepos A/c. 5.4-6.<br />

9<br />

JXen. r.6.JS-7·35·<br />

94 Xen. l.J-42.<br />

95<br />

Diod. I4-3l·5·<br />

96<br />

A. H. M. Jones, A<strong>the</strong>nian Democracy (Oxford, 1969), 2 3-58, 79-96; McCoy, "<strong>The</strong>ramenes,"<br />

194.

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