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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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166 TliE FALL OF THE ATHENIAN EMPIRE<br />

<strong>of</strong> taming popular power, for with <strong>the</strong> fleet at home and its crews<br />

disbanded, <strong>the</strong> oligarchs might hope to rule by terror and ultimately<br />

by <strong>the</strong> acquiescence <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> hoplites. <strong>The</strong> extremists, <strong>the</strong>refore, must<br />

have planned to seek peace from <strong>the</strong> beginning but concealed <strong>the</strong>ir<br />

intentions until <strong>the</strong> right time. Once <strong>the</strong> city was cowed by terror,<br />

<strong>the</strong> Four Hundred were in power, and <strong>the</strong> extremists held <strong>the</strong> upper<br />

hand within it, <strong>the</strong>y could pursue negotiations.<br />

Even <strong>the</strong>n, however, <strong>the</strong>y could not ignore <strong>the</strong> moderates, who<br />

might be intimidated or persuaded into joining in peace negotiations<br />

but would insist on honorable terms that would allow A<strong>the</strong>ns to retain<br />

its power and empire. <strong>The</strong> extremists, on <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r hand, although<br />

<strong>the</strong>y preferred to keep <strong>the</strong> empire, were prepared, in <strong>the</strong> last resort,<br />

to make peace "on any terms tolerable," even those requiring <strong>the</strong>m to<br />

bring in <strong>the</strong> enemy and to give up A<strong>the</strong>ns' walls and fleet and, with<br />

<strong>the</strong>m, its autonomy. 11 <strong>The</strong>ramenes and his moderate supporters, on<br />

<strong>the</strong> contrary, always found such terms intolerable. Ir was precisely to<br />

prevent such a betrayal that <strong>The</strong>ramenes led <strong>the</strong> effort that overthrew<br />

<strong>the</strong> Four Hundred." He had joined <strong>the</strong> movement against <strong>the</strong> democracy<br />

in order to wage <strong>the</strong> war more effectively; he worked for <strong>the</strong><br />

overthrow <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> oligarchy when he suspected it <strong>of</strong> preparing to sell<br />

out to <strong>the</strong> Spartans; under <strong>the</strong> restored democracy, he played a leading<br />

part in <strong>the</strong> fighting until, in 405, <strong>the</strong> battle at Aegospotami put an end<br />

to all hope. In 41 1 he and his moderate associates were unwilling to<br />

make major concessions to <strong>the</strong> Spartans.<br />

That is not to say that <strong>The</strong>ramenes and his associates were unwilling<br />

to discuss terms <strong>of</strong> peace with Sparta. <strong>The</strong>y may have hoped that <strong>the</strong><br />

Spartans' failure to win <strong>the</strong> expected easy victories in <strong>the</strong> Aegean and<br />

Ionia, combined with <strong>the</strong> inadequate and unreliable support provided<br />

by Tissaphernes, might have made <strong>the</strong>m ready to agree to a reasonable<br />

peace, especially with an A<strong>the</strong>nian regime that was no longer a radical<br />

democracy. If <strong>the</strong> enemy was prepared to make peace on <strong>the</strong> basis <strong>of</strong><br />

<strong>the</strong> status quo, well and good. If not, <strong>the</strong> war would continue. <strong>The</strong><br />

extremists, although <strong>the</strong>y were ultimately ready to make far greater<br />

concessions, preferred <strong>the</strong> status quo. On <strong>the</strong>se terms, both factions<br />

within <strong>the</strong> Four Hundred could agree, so <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nian ambassadors<br />

<strong>of</strong>fered <strong>the</strong> terms to King Agis at Decelea." He rejected <strong>the</strong>ir proposal<br />

n8.9o.2; 91.3. See also HCT V, JO]-J08.<br />

n8.9D--91.<br />

33 8.]0.2. Thucydides does not mention <strong>the</strong> terms. Aristotle (Ath. Pol. p.J) cites<br />

<strong>the</strong>m as €K6:repm. T\J"Yx&vmxJw E.xovrE"i. Busolt (GG III:z, 141)0, n. 1) suggests that <strong>the</strong>

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