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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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196 J'HE FALL OF THE ATHENIAN EMPIRE<br />

destruction <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> fortifications that could permit <strong>the</strong> betrayal <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />

city to Sparta and <strong>the</strong> beginning <strong>of</strong> a movement toward <strong>the</strong> constitution<br />

<strong>the</strong>y had sought from <strong>the</strong> beginning, <strong>the</strong> rule <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Five Thousand,"<br />

Thucydides says that those chanting <strong>the</strong> slogan were concealing behind<br />

it <strong>the</strong>ir true desire, a return to <strong>the</strong> full democracy. But <strong>the</strong>y were afraid<br />

to reveal <strong>the</strong>ir true desire, fearing that <strong>the</strong> Five Thousand might already<br />

exist and that demanding <strong>the</strong> full democracy might expose each man<br />

to danger, since his neighbor might be a member <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> ruling group.<br />

However, such reasoning could not apply to <strong>the</strong> moderate leaders or<br />

to any o<strong>the</strong>r members <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> moderate faction within <strong>the</strong> Four<br />

Hundred, for <strong>the</strong>y knew with certainty that <strong>the</strong> Five Thousand did<br />

not exist, but even when applied to <strong>the</strong> ordinary soldiers, Thucydides'<br />

assertion raises doubts. Why should men who had arrested <strong>the</strong>ir general,<br />

had been prepared to fight a battle, and were beginning to tear<br />

down a fortification ordered by <strong>the</strong> reigning government shrink from<br />

joining in a general shout in favor <strong>of</strong> restoring democracy? What significant<br />

additional danger would <strong>the</strong>y incur by such an act? No doubt<br />

many, if not most, <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> hoplites would have preferred a restoration<br />

<strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> democracy, had <strong>the</strong>y thought about it. However, it seems better<br />

to believe that <strong>the</strong>y were not shouting out <strong>of</strong> fear but were simply<br />

joining a chorus instigated by <strong>the</strong> moderates. 22<br />

Shouting, however, would not bring down <strong>the</strong> oligarchy and replace<br />

it with a moderate government. What was needed was a way to exert<br />

pressure on <strong>the</strong> extremists without starting a civil war. <strong>The</strong> moderates<br />

were aware that <strong>the</strong> Spartans had been counting on open civil strife<br />

among <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians to give <strong>the</strong>m an easy victory. We may well believe<br />

that <strong>the</strong> men who had calmed <strong>the</strong> people when <strong>the</strong> news <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> arrest<br />

<strong>of</strong> Alexicles had filled <strong>the</strong> city with fear by reminding <strong>the</strong>m that <strong>the</strong><br />

enemy was near had been inspired by <strong>the</strong> moderate leaders," On <strong>the</strong><br />

next day, <strong>the</strong>refore, <strong>the</strong>y followed a moderate course meant to force<br />

<strong>the</strong> extremists to yield but not to fight. <strong>The</strong> army in <strong>the</strong> Piraeus<br />

completed <strong>the</strong> destruction <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> fortifications and released <strong>the</strong> oli-<br />

21<br />

Andrewcs (HCT V, 314) thinks that <strong>the</strong> slogan was shouted by <strong>the</strong> hoplites to <strong>the</strong><br />

citizens <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Piracus. So it may have been, but I believe that <strong>the</strong> first shouts came<br />

from those in on <strong>the</strong> plan, instructed by <strong>the</strong> moderate leaders.<br />

ncaucion is always advisable in rejecting what Thucydides tells us. In this case,<br />

however, he is revealing to us <strong>the</strong> thoughtr <strong>of</strong> a large body <strong>of</strong> men. We might wonder<br />

how he could know <strong>the</strong>m even ifhe were present, but he was not. We are thus dependent<br />

on an opinion about so difficult a subject by an unknown informant. In such circumstances,<br />

an independent judgment seems permissible.<br />

lJ8.92.8.

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