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Ray Ozzie 107<br />

You cannot early-bind marketing and positioning decisions because the market<br />

and competitive environment will be different.<br />

Some people cope with uncertainty by being really comfortable in their own<br />

little box. Some developers, for example, will divide the problem and divide the<br />

problem until they only have to work on this little piece of the d<strong>at</strong>abase or this<br />

little piece of the communic<strong>at</strong>ions, and they just don’t worry about the stuff<br />

above th<strong>at</strong>. They leave th<strong>at</strong> to people like me to deal with, in terms of the risk<br />

and continuing to be on the right p<strong>at</strong>h. To be on th<strong>at</strong> long of a time frame, you<br />

have to be able to change as the market changes.<br />

So there were a number of things over the course of the years <strong>at</strong> Groove<br />

th<strong>at</strong> changed dram<strong>at</strong>ically. At one point early on, we were giving an equal focus<br />

to the media/entertainment and productivity applic<strong>at</strong>ions of our technology.<br />

When we started Groove in ’97, it was the Bubble, and because you can apply<br />

technology in many ways, we thought th<strong>at</strong> we’d bring it to market to serve a<br />

number of different things. By the time we brought it to market in l<strong>at</strong>e 2000,<br />

things were starting to get a little serious, and we decided to concentr<strong>at</strong>e on the<br />

productivity realm instead of consumer applic<strong>at</strong>ions.<br />

Then once we really doubled down th<strong>at</strong> p<strong>at</strong>h, it meant th<strong>at</strong> we had to take a<br />

lot more enterprise manageability things seriously than we had early on, which<br />

brought with it a lot of burden and a lot of changes within the company.<br />

Livingston: If you do have this long time frame, are you extra nervous about<br />

competitors? And do you have to manage people’s expect<strong>at</strong>ions differently?<br />

Ozzie: In a startup, you’re on this mission together. Everyone has to feel th<strong>at</strong>,<br />

and you have to hire people who are willing to believe in something they are<br />

trying to accomplish. And in th<strong>at</strong> era, it was very challenging in two dimensions.<br />

Hiring in the dot-com era, when a lot of these people’s friends were getting<br />

rich, was hard. But the other thing was th<strong>at</strong> the type of software we were building<br />

had many systems software elements to it. A lot of it was lower-level communic<strong>at</strong>ions,<br />

storage, applic<strong>at</strong>ion framework–type code, and hiring was more<br />

difficult for th<strong>at</strong> type of talent <strong>at</strong> th<strong>at</strong> time. In an earlier era when DEC was big,<br />

it was easier to hire systems software talent.<br />

But wh<strong>at</strong> held people together was the belief th<strong>at</strong> you’re really going to<br />

change the world. I think th<strong>at</strong>’s the n<strong>at</strong>ure of many startups. You believe th<strong>at</strong><br />

wh<strong>at</strong> you are doing is going to have a dram<strong>at</strong>ic impact. You might not exactly<br />

know how, but you really have a belief. Th<strong>at</strong> keeps you going and going through<br />

many changes and a lot of uncertainty.<br />

Livingston: Wh<strong>at</strong> about managing your investors’ expect<strong>at</strong>ions?<br />

Ozzie: Th<strong>at</strong>’s a difficult subject. There are pros and cons to taking money. The<br />

best kind of company is one where you don’t have to take any money.<br />

Livingston: Did you use your own money for Groove?<br />

Ozzie: Yes, I funded the first few years myself. But eventually I took some<br />

money from Mitch Kapor and then others. Not so much because I needed it <strong>at</strong><br />

th<strong>at</strong> point, but because I knew th<strong>at</strong>, ultim<strong>at</strong>ely, you cannot accomplish something<br />

completely on your own. You really need to develop a network of people

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