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Livingston: Did you work with them? How did you find them?<br />

Newmark: I think through the site.<br />

Craig Newmark 253<br />

Livingston: How did you grow the fe<strong>at</strong>ures on the site? Did you always add<br />

new fe<strong>at</strong>ures based on user feedback?<br />

Newmark: When it comes to fe<strong>at</strong>ures visible from the outside, yes. Internally,<br />

we figure out on a continuous basis . . . we figure out wh<strong>at</strong> tools we need, and<br />

then we do them. Th<strong>at</strong>’s working to this day, because it’s the job, for example, of<br />

customer service to figure out how they can do their jobs better and then to tell<br />

tech wh<strong>at</strong> they need. This is business process reengineering, which companies<br />

used to talk about a lot in the l<strong>at</strong>e ’80s, but usually didn’t follow through.<br />

Livingston: Did you have investors knocking <strong>at</strong> your door, offering you money?<br />

Newmark: They started in ’99, and we had a flurry of th<strong>at</strong> last year. Th<strong>at</strong>’s how<br />

I have some idea of how much I stepped away from.<br />

Livingston: When they first offered you money, were you tempted <strong>at</strong> all?<br />

Newmark: Yes. But I decided to hold fast. I’m not implicitly judging anyone<br />

else. We’re not anti-traditional by any means. We just made a specific decision<br />

based on our specific values and followed through.<br />

Livingston: And you make enough money to cover costs?<br />

Newmark: We are doing well. Again, we are currently charging for less than 1<br />

percent of the site. We started to charge for apartment rental listings in New<br />

York City, but we’re still basically free.<br />

Livingston: Did you ever think, “Boy, we can squeeze those brokers for a little<br />

more”?<br />

Newmark: They asked us to charge them, because they feel th<strong>at</strong> it will help<br />

improve the quality of th<strong>at</strong> stuff. Especially the more legitim<strong>at</strong>e brokers—they<br />

want th<strong>at</strong> because they feel th<strong>at</strong> will help control the sleazier brokers. And we<br />

think th<strong>at</strong> will work OK.<br />

Livingston: Are you having an impact on these sleazy brokers?<br />

Newmark: It is working. It’s a long slog, but these brokers increasingly behave.<br />

The deal is th<strong>at</strong> a guy without, let’s say, a firm moral compass, if he thinks th<strong>at</strong><br />

other brokers are being sleazy, he feels an implicit moral sanction to be sleazy.<br />

Now I’m telling guys like th<strong>at</strong>, “Hey, it’s over.” And th<strong>at</strong>’s working. So we have<br />

brokers who used to be problem<strong>at</strong>ic, who are no longer problem<strong>at</strong>ic.<br />

Livingston: Will you tell me about one of the most frustr<strong>at</strong>ing situ<strong>at</strong>ions with a<br />

broker?<br />

Newmark: I’m thinking of one, who’s now very well-behaved. They used to do<br />

all sorts of things, all the bad things we’ve talked about, and they would also do<br />

things to try to evade our tools—which worked, by the way, except I have a volunteer<br />

who looks <strong>at</strong> things. They would post using multiple email addresses,<br />

th<strong>at</strong> kind of thing. I just kept blocking them and blocking them, and they got<br />

tired of being blocked and they finally approached me and said, “Sorry about<br />

this.” And it’s working now.

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