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398 <strong>Founders</strong> <strong>at</strong> <strong>Work</strong><br />

Livingston: Did you have problems getting users <strong>at</strong> the beginning?<br />

Ross: No, but the users we were getting weren’t really the target audience;<br />

these were people th<strong>at</strong> downloaded beta builds from Mozilla. So it was still a<br />

geek audience. We had to transform the culture <strong>at</strong> Mozilla because it was all<br />

based around open source ethos, which says programmers are kings, marketers<br />

are sleaze, and everyone else can read the manual. All the branding for Mozilla<br />

looked very Communist—the logo was a dinosaur and the banners ads were . . .<br />

I can’t even describe it, but very odd, technical kind of imagery th<strong>at</strong> didn’t<br />

appeal to most people. We had to move a lot of th<strong>at</strong> into a more mainstream<br />

world.<br />

Livingston: How did you do th<strong>at</strong>?<br />

Ross: The first thing th<strong>at</strong> happened was th<strong>at</strong> Netscape split off Mozilla into an<br />

independent entity. Mozilla was once just the open source technology arm of<br />

Netscape—they made technology and Netscape distributed it. When Netscape<br />

said goodbye, Mozilla didn’t really have any kind of major distributor anymore.<br />

As Firefox m<strong>at</strong>ured, Mozilla decided th<strong>at</strong> they could try to distribute it<br />

directly to the user without having to go through a middleman like Netscape. At<br />

th<strong>at</strong> point, the culture started to shift out of necessity; the organiz<strong>at</strong>ion had to<br />

c<strong>at</strong>er to more users or potentially collapse.<br />

Livingston: As you were working on this, did you worry about competitive<br />

thre<strong>at</strong>s?<br />

Ross: No, Firefox was very different from traditional startups. Companies usually<br />

worry about competition for financial reasons, but when we did Firefox,<br />

money was just always sort of there. There were don<strong>at</strong>ions, seed money from<br />

AOL; we eventually got this Google deal, but it wasn’t a source of fear for us,<br />

because we knew if it didn’t make money . . . It wasn’t even supposed to make<br />

money—it was a hobby, right, so we didn’t really care. I was in school. It didn’t<br />

have to succeed.<br />

It sounds bad, but the project was kind of just for us <strong>at</strong> the beginning—to<br />

make something th<strong>at</strong> we knew we could make, but not inside Netscape. It was<br />

an outlet for those frustr<strong>at</strong>ions. We wanted people to use it, but we weren’t<br />

going to kill ourselves if it failed. We defined success in terms of users, not<br />

competitors.<br />

In any case, the IE team had been disbanded, and Netscape had bowed out,<br />

so the market was wide open. We didn’t crunch numbers or conduct market<br />

analysis; we relaxed and followed our gut. There’s a lot more pressure now with<br />

Parakey. People expect another Firefox or something like th<strong>at</strong>.<br />

Livingston: People must have high expect<strong>at</strong>ions for you, which is not a bad<br />

thing, I suppose.<br />

Ross: Not a bad thing, but you have to deliver. It’s hard to under-promise and<br />

over-deliver when everyone’s promising things for you. We’re trying not to hype<br />

up wh<strong>at</strong> we’re doing until we’ve got something people can use. People expect<br />

the world, so if you hype up wh<strong>at</strong> you are doing, you have to deliver, and it’s<br />

not easy.

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