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66 <strong>Founders</strong> <strong>at</strong> <strong>Work</strong><br />

Kraus: They adjusted the vesting schedule a little bit. I think by the time we did<br />

the financing we had been working on it 2 years, but they only vested us a year.<br />

So, they got a year of free vesting from us.<br />

Livingston: Had you incorpor<strong>at</strong>ed when you were in the garage phase?<br />

Kraus: Yeah, we must have. How did we do th<strong>at</strong>? We had to in order to accept<br />

the $100,000 from InfoWorld, so we incorpor<strong>at</strong>ed pretty early. I think we got a<br />

lawyer to do it for us really, really cheaply. I had a friend whose f<strong>at</strong>her was a<br />

lawyer, so I called th<strong>at</strong> friend and talked to his f<strong>at</strong>her and asked, “How do I do<br />

this?” and I think they actually just did it for us.<br />

Livingston: Did you wind up doing something for IDG?<br />

Kraus: No, we didn’t. I think they might have put in a small amount of<br />

money—I actually can’t recall. But we never ended up doing anything big with<br />

them.<br />

Livingston: When you got the VC money, I read th<strong>at</strong> you had to think hard<br />

about how you were going to redistribute the stock. You described it as a “couch<br />

moment,” right—where you would pull the couches face-to-face to discuss difficult<br />

situ<strong>at</strong>ions?<br />

Kraus: Yeah, it sucked. People ask me all the time, “Would you start a company<br />

with your friends again?” This presumes th<strong>at</strong> starting a company with your<br />

friends is bad. And there are some things th<strong>at</strong> are bad about it. It makes it hard<br />

to be objective about personnel decisions. I love the show Entourage on HBO.<br />

In it, the lead character is a rising movie star and his best friend really wants to<br />

be his manager and is quite competent <strong>at</strong> it. The lead character says to his<br />

friend, “Remember, I can’t fire my friend, but I can fire my manager.” And<br />

th<strong>at</strong>’s the hard one, right—if you have to make personnel decisions, you can’t<br />

fire your friend, but you can fire your business partner.<br />

Th<strong>at</strong>’s a very difficult line. But we would have never, ever survived as a company<br />

without having something bonding us other than the pursuit of a business<br />

idea. Because we came together to start a company before even knowing wh<strong>at</strong><br />

th<strong>at</strong> company was doing. We were more committed to the idea of starting<br />

something together and figuring it out than a bunch of people who were only<br />

personally interested in how much money they could make or wh<strong>at</strong> could be<br />

built around a particular idea.<br />

Th<strong>at</strong> morphs over time as the business actually starts to take off, but th<strong>at</strong><br />

commitment carried us through a lot of very dark moments and no money and<br />

difficult nights and toiling away in a garage. It is the thing th<strong>at</strong> got us through<br />

the couch moment of redistributing the equity.<br />

We originally had the company divided evenly: everybody had a sixth. When<br />

Kleiner came in, Vinod said, “You know, you can leave it th<strong>at</strong> way if you want,<br />

but I think you guys are going to want to look <strong>at</strong> this.” And so Graham and I<br />

went and had a meeting with the whole team and said, “We think we need to<br />

redistribute equity in a way th<strong>at</strong> isn’t even.” And th<strong>at</strong>’s no fun to hear. I think,<br />

quite honestly, nobody had a problem giving Graham more, because Graham<br />

was clearly the man among boys in terms of his technical ability. The other guys

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