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Livingston: Did it drive sales for the Apple II along with VisiCalc?<br />

Dan Bricklin 79<br />

Bricklin: Well, for Apple, yeah. Eventually we could track Apple sales by how<br />

many we sold. But the first year we were only selling a thousand units a month.<br />

Livingston: Who were the very first users?<br />

Bricklin: There was Al Sneider, locally, who was <strong>at</strong> Laventhol & Horw<strong>at</strong>h,<br />

which is an accounting firm, and he started pushing them to use personal computers.<br />

They did a lot of accounting for the gaming business. They actually used<br />

VisiCalc to figure out how to lay out a casino and where to put which slot<br />

machines, I’m told. There were doctors who had bought personal computers<br />

because they thought it would be kind of cool, who used it for, I think, anesthesiology<br />

calcul<strong>at</strong>ions in open-heart surgery.<br />

We got cards back where people said wh<strong>at</strong> they used it with; we asked them<br />

in their registr<strong>at</strong>ion card. They were people who liked technology and were<br />

enamored with the personal computer, who knew business. But, as I say, only a<br />

thousand units a month. It took a while for people to get wh<strong>at</strong> it was, and these<br />

people evangelized it.<br />

Hewlett-Packard got it. One of my classm<strong>at</strong>es from Harvard Business<br />

School worked in the group th<strong>at</strong> was developing a personal computer there,<br />

and they read Ben Rosen’s write-up, and Hewlett-Packard licensed it and did<br />

their own implement<strong>at</strong>ion based on our software.<br />

Livingston: Wh<strong>at</strong> were the biggest conceptual hurdles for you as you were<br />

building the product?<br />

Bricklin: The original vision was of an electronic blackboard or work area. In<br />

fact, initially I also thought of it as a head-up display (like in a fighter plane)<br />

where—using a mouse together with a key pad, like a calcul<strong>at</strong>or with a mouse<br />

ball on the bottom or something—you could lay things out and you could use it<br />

real time while looking <strong>at</strong> people or something. So this electronic blackboard<br />

type of thing, like the typesetting layout software th<strong>at</strong> was being worked on <strong>at</strong><br />

the time. The Harris 2200 was one th<strong>at</strong> I was very interested in, which nobody<br />

knows about, but I have the Seybold write-up of it.<br />

I had seen wh<strong>at</strong> we now call desktop publishing, because in computerized<br />

typesetting, th<strong>at</strong>’s wh<strong>at</strong> they were doing for display ads. Classified ads are autom<strong>at</strong>ically<br />

laid out, more or less, but in the display ads, where you’re putting<br />

“Sale!” and all this stuff, th<strong>at</strong> general-purpose layout—th<strong>at</strong> was the hot thing,<br />

developing th<strong>at</strong> two-dimensional, general-purpose layout stuff like PageMaker.<br />

The PageMaker people came out of computerized typesetting—out of Atex,<br />

which is a local company th<strong>at</strong> did computerized typesetting and one of my competitors<br />

when I worked <strong>at</strong> DEC.<br />

So I had this idea, this general two-dimensional layout, and I had the idea of<br />

calcul<strong>at</strong>ing and then recalcul<strong>at</strong>ing, because it’s like word wrap; it does th<strong>at</strong>. So<br />

those ideas came up right away for me. But then how do I really express th<strong>at</strong>?<br />

Wh<strong>at</strong> exactly are the keystrokes th<strong>at</strong> you do? Wh<strong>at</strong> exactly is the metaphor?<br />

How do I make it easy to learn? I had struggled with this in the word processing<br />

world, when we invented things for word processing, because when we did

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