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212 <strong>Founders</strong> <strong>at</strong> <strong>Work</strong><br />

So many things can go wrong with deals, and they all do. Before we ultim<strong>at</strong>ely<br />

got bought by Yahoo, we probably had nine or ten different acquirers th<strong>at</strong> we<br />

were talking to, and things always went wrong for one reason or another.<br />

Livingston: So then wh<strong>at</strong> did you do? Go back to business?<br />

Graham: Yeah. There were always two stories going on simultaneously with<br />

Viaweb. There was the software and the customer story, which just went<br />

smoothly and wonderfully the whole way along. We kept writing gre<strong>at</strong> software,<br />

we kept getting more and more customers, the customers loved us, the growth<br />

was this beautiful, smooth upward curve. Simultaneously, there was this story<br />

about the business, which was one disaster after another. So most of the actual<br />

turning points are not software or customer turning points, because everything<br />

went gre<strong>at</strong> there. All the turning points are business turning points.<br />

The next one was probably when Robert went off th<strong>at</strong> summer and took a<br />

summer job working for another company. He went to work <strong>at</strong> DEC SRC out in<br />

California. The problem was, he didn’t tell me he was going to do this until . . .<br />

Well, actually he never told me. A few days before he left, we were having<br />

dinner with some friends and one of them said, “So Robert, are you looking forward<br />

to California?” I looked <strong>at</strong> Robert and said “California?” And it turned out<br />

he was going to leave in a week for the whole summer.<br />

So now I had to explain to our investors why one of the founders of the company<br />

they had just invested in had gone and taken a summer job working for<br />

another company. Th<strong>at</strong> required all my spin abilities.<br />

Livingston: Wh<strong>at</strong> did you tell them?<br />

Graham: I said th<strong>at</strong> this was part of his gradu<strong>at</strong>e student career and th<strong>at</strong> it was<br />

a common thing for people in gradu<strong>at</strong>e school to take jobs working in research<br />

labs during the summer and, yes, this was another company, but it was really<br />

more of a research lab than a company. Th<strong>at</strong> part was certainly true. When they<br />

tried to turn AltaVista into a company, it was disaster.<br />

Livingston: Wh<strong>at</strong> was the next turning point after Robert left for his summer<br />

job?<br />

Graham: Our main angel investor, the metals trader, was encouraged th<strong>at</strong> the<br />

big company had wanted to buy us, so th<strong>at</strong> spring he’d put more money in—still<br />

angel-scale money. We weren’t desper<strong>at</strong>ely running out of money, but we were<br />

going to run out sometime in the fall. The angel investor decided th<strong>at</strong> we<br />

needed to have a business guy as CEO and th<strong>at</strong> he wasn’t going to give us any<br />

more money unless we got someone. So th<strong>at</strong> summer, as well as trying to deal<br />

with Rtm being in California, we spent our time talking to various business<br />

guys.<br />

The problem with all of them was th<strong>at</strong> they had delusions of grandeur. This<br />

was the beginning of the Internet Bubble, remember, and I think all of these<br />

guys saw themselves as some kind of grand CEO, while we programmers<br />

labored in the kitchen cooking the food and washing the dishes. If the deal<br />

were simply th<strong>at</strong> the business guy would be the public face of the company, but<br />

we would be allowed to do wh<strong>at</strong> we wanted and make sure everything worked

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