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278 <strong>Founders</strong> <strong>at</strong> <strong>Work</strong><br />

Kahle: I’ve had two. Most people don’t have mentors. They say, “Well, I’ve had<br />

influential teachers. I’ve learned a lot from this person.” But they don’t think of<br />

it as a mentor. A mentor is a life guide, somebody th<strong>at</strong> you might work with, but<br />

somebody who is helpful toward w<strong>at</strong>ching bigger issues about things th<strong>at</strong> guide<br />

your life.<br />

Danny Hillis, who was 4 years older and whom I worked for <strong>at</strong> MIT and<br />

Thinking Machines, has been a guide and a help ever since. The other was Bill<br />

Dunn. I found those two men, both being very kind and smart, had the ability<br />

to know wh<strong>at</strong> was going to happen—even though they had way too little inform<strong>at</strong>ion.<br />

I’d always sort of note down their wild ideas and think, “Did they come<br />

about?” A few years l<strong>at</strong>er you find out they were right. Some people are just<br />

more right than they ever deserve to be.<br />

Livingston: You’ve done startups in the East and West Coast hubs. Is one place<br />

better than the other for startups?<br />

Kahle: Oh, I think it’s much easier to do a startup on the West Coast. There are<br />

all the facilities and services available to you. You can put together a marketing<br />

department out of part-time people. You can hire an accountant to just do<br />

exactly wh<strong>at</strong> you need. You need a lot less infrastructure th<strong>at</strong> you control to do a<br />

startup on the West Coast than on the East Coast.<br />

If you started with $8 million, you can buy everything you need; but if you<br />

are starting, just you, you can do a startup out of your bedroom. In fact, a lot of<br />

people do. In fact, most bedrooms I think are startups! The idea th<strong>at</strong> you can<br />

start on a shoestring, th<strong>at</strong> you can hold a meeting in a coffeehouse and th<strong>at</strong>’s<br />

OK, is perfectly legitim<strong>at</strong>e on the West Coast.<br />

Livingston: Why not in Cambridge?<br />

Kahle: Maybe you can do th<strong>at</strong> now in Cambridge; maybe it’s changed. But<br />

there’s a more institutional idea th<strong>at</strong> you have to be more proven. San Francisco<br />

is full of dreamers. It’s the people with the new ideas. It may be bad, they may<br />

be inappropri<strong>at</strong>e, they may fail, but I love the idea th<strong>at</strong> we can do something<br />

new and different—something th<strong>at</strong> hasn’t been done before, something th<strong>at</strong>’s<br />

going to affect a lot of people. There’s an idea th<strong>at</strong> you can pull something off<br />

here. Th<strong>at</strong> sort of uplifting n<strong>at</strong>ure to San Francisco and the Bay Area in general<br />

really lives on. This is a city of dreamers, and th<strong>at</strong>’s wh<strong>at</strong> makes it just a<br />

wonderful place to live and to work.<br />

Livingston: Looking back on all of your experiences, wh<strong>at</strong> surprised you most?<br />

Kahle: How long things take. To start a company and to get to a point where<br />

one has a critical mass—you have an office, you’ve got your CFO, you’ve got all<br />

of the infrastructure to become a viable entity. I think about 20 to 40 people is<br />

a golden size, because you’re not spending all of your time doing things th<strong>at</strong><br />

you’re not th<strong>at</strong> good <strong>at</strong>. There are other people in the organiz<strong>at</strong>ion with more<br />

specializ<strong>at</strong>ion in different areas. It takes a couple years to really get th<strong>at</strong><br />

debugged.

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