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352 <strong>Founders</strong> <strong>at</strong> <strong>Work</strong><br />

Livingston: Why do big companies get it wrong?<br />

Spolsky: I worked <strong>at</strong> Viacom, which is a culture of cre<strong>at</strong>ing MTV and Comedy<br />

Central. It’s not even about cre<strong>at</strong>ing MTV and Comedy Central; it’s about buying<br />

MTV and then buying Nickelodeon, and then merging MTV and<br />

Nickelodeon and cre<strong>at</strong>ing a thing called MTV Networks and playing political<br />

games with th<strong>at</strong>, and then maybe selling one of them off and buying CBS.<br />

In order to succeed in th<strong>at</strong> environment, those are the things you have to be<br />

good <strong>at</strong>. And if you need to make some interactive websites or MTV needs a<br />

web server or wh<strong>at</strong>ever the thing is, then you don’t even hire programmers; you<br />

hire some people who know some people who might know something about the<br />

technology. Eventually, you get somebody who thinks, “Let’s get some programmers<br />

in here,” and they actually hire a programmer. And if they are lucky,<br />

they get a good programmer, but they will torture th<strong>at</strong> programmer until th<strong>at</strong><br />

programmer wants to cry and leave.<br />

A company th<strong>at</strong> is not designed to cre<strong>at</strong>e high-tech products is very unlikely<br />

to have the culture or the DNA th<strong>at</strong> it takes to cre<strong>at</strong>e high-tech products. So if<br />

you are a high-tech person in th<strong>at</strong> company, then you’re basically a glorified<br />

typist in some sense. It’s very unlikely th<strong>at</strong> the kind of people who would be successful<br />

in an entertainment company would even understand wh<strong>at</strong> programmers<br />

do th<strong>at</strong> makes them more than typists.<br />

Livingston: Looking back, is there anything you would have done differently?<br />

Spolsky: The biggest mistake th<strong>at</strong> we consistently made is th<strong>at</strong> we kept getting<br />

all kinds of interesting marketing ideas. Well, the first problem we had is th<strong>at</strong><br />

we thought we didn’t understand sales and marketing because, indeed, I am a<br />

programmer and Michael is a programmer. We thought th<strong>at</strong> the whole business<br />

of sales and marketing, which we recognized as being utterly crucial to the success<br />

of a high-tech company, was completely mysterious to us.<br />

When we read about it, we knew th<strong>at</strong> we were bad <strong>at</strong> the particular skills<br />

th<strong>at</strong> we needed to do sales and to market things. We didn’t have any kind of<br />

budget for marketing. So we were just afraid of the so-called “go-to-market”<br />

str<strong>at</strong>egy. I see a lot of startups in their first couple of years kind of flail around—<br />

exactly the same way we did—trying to figure out, “Oh shit, how are we going<br />

to get people to buy our stuff?”<br />

We had this dream th<strong>at</strong> we would find a company th<strong>at</strong> would sell and market<br />

our products, and we would do development. There would be some kind of<br />

50/50 split. But search as I may throughout the history of the annals of computer<br />

software, I could only find one example in which one company sold a<br />

product and the other company developed. It was Lotus Notes, which was<br />

developed by a Boston-area company called Iris Associ<strong>at</strong>es.<br />

They had a deal th<strong>at</strong> was a 50/50 split with Lotus, basically. Lotus<br />

Development did all the sales and marketing and bought copies of Notes from<br />

Iris for, I believe, 50 percent or something. It is probably 25 percent of the<br />

MSRP (manufacturer’s suggested retail price) or something like th<strong>at</strong>. Th<strong>at</strong> particular<br />

rel<strong>at</strong>ionship, before Lotus completely acquired Iris, lasted long enough<br />

th<strong>at</strong> I thought th<strong>at</strong> maybe this model would work.

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