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me, bug-eyed, going, “What’s he doing here?” They’d
quickly take a very watery dump in front of you and run
off. So no, I don’t find any grace or beauty in that!
So it’s been mainly horses and dogs, although between
the two, it’s been mainly horses. Although I would say
that my dog experience has been equally as pleasurable.
There’s something quite sweet, actually, about someone’s
dog crawling onto the bed with you, and you just
get the urge to, and you touch him or her, and if they’re
not interested, fine. They’ll let you know. And if they are,
well, if it’s a small dog, then there are certain things you
can and can’t do, and if it’s a large dog, there are certain
things you can and can’t do.
Bill: What was your reaction initially after you first played with
these horses? You must have gone through a tremendous
amount of—
Clive: Absolute terror! And kind of a weird sense of, “Hey,
that was really special.” Even then, I think I had a sense
that this was a turning point in my life. Not only had I
gotten a sense that there was something—this sexual
feeling that felt good, and okay, I wasn’t caught this time,
so maybe I’ll get lucky and have another go. But also
the fact that there was something deeply meaningful to
me. That it somehow put it all into some kind of sense,
as far as my life, and as far as how I was growing up. At
that age, I don’t think I really had much of a clue about
anything, to be quite honest.
Bill: Who does?
Clive: Yeah! I mean, in retrospect. And at that
time, it was such a very important experience
for me. What happened was that
I would go out there, sometimes two or
three times a week. And sometimes something would
happen, sometimes not. It wasn’t easy going to begin
with, either. I mean, yes, I had that first wonderful experience,
but afterwards I had to start learning their language
and communicating with them. The number of times I
had bites or had been kicked because I had not been
aware of boundaries, let alone acknowledge them—that
process of learning happened immediately afterward.
then they’ll let you know. But if they’re not interested,
then you should stop.
I’m sure there are cases of people who have raped animals.
They can’t speak—well, at least, they can’t physically
speak. I’ve seen many different kinds of abuses.
When you see a cringing dog walking down the street,
that’s a form of abuse. I think that’s a much greater sin
than offering yourself to a dog, and if he’s interested, letting
him take you, or a female dog, and if she’s interested,
she’ll raise her tail, and you can start making love.
So yeah, it is possible. And that’s the most important
thing when you’re starting, is to learn their language, to
find out whether or not they’re okay with that.
Bill: Which sounds like being attentive.
Clive: No more so than as one would be with any sexual partner.
I guess it’s just that there are a lot of clueless people
out there who aren’t attentive, of whatever orientation,
whatever gender they are.
Bill: In your experience, how do animals communicate about
sex in relation to how well people communicate about sex?
Clive: It depends. If, for example, it’s a bitch in heat, then
she’s very communicative! She’s really, really communicative!
In terms of horses—mares in heat again are very
responsive. Animals who aren’t necessarily in heat are
still interested in sex, and they’ll still try to mount you, or
they’ll still go through the motions, if after a while you’ve
I’m completely open to the advances
of both male and female,
dog and horse.
been playing with them—you know, stroking them and
playing ball or whatever—or with horses, giving them
the “skritch” along the mane, which they absolutely
adore—and you can go through various courtship rituals
and things like that. Again, it all goes back to learning
their language. And it really isn’t that difficult if you go
into it with an open mind and an open heart.
Bill: Do you think there’s such a thing as nonconsensual sex
with animals?
Clive: Oh, yeah! There are definitely cases of puppies that
have been bred and physically trained to respond favorably
to sexual advances. My personal feeling is that—and
this is different for everyone who practices bestiality—
you really make yourself open to the animal in question,
and you offer them something, and if they’re interested,
Bill: Are you heterosexual or bisexual with animals?
Clive: I’m—definitely—bisexual. I’m completely open to the
advances of both male and female, dog and horse.
Bill: Do you think that’s true of most people who are into this,
or do you think that varies a lot?
Clive: Hmmm. Good question. I certainly know some women
who really get hot off the idea of, say, for example, lick-
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