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PART II - VISBY RULES 779Final clausesThe second argument is that last year, in the first phase of the Twelfth Session of theDiplomatic Conference, it was deliberately decided that such a clause should not figurein the new instruments which were made, because, and I quote the report which wasmade on this question and it said: “The legal significance of such a declaration which figuresonly in some Conventions of Brussels is not clear and may cause confusion anddoubt as to the obligatory character of the provisions of the Conventions from the pointof view of international law”.I think this is not the moment to go into all these complications of interpretation andof the consequences which may derive from the obligatory character of the provisions ofthe Brussels Convention. I would only remind the assembly that it is not wise to comeback on a decision which was deliberately taken a year ago at this session of May, 1967.M. de Bresson (France). Monsieur lePrésident, je me permets de demander ànos amis de la délégation allemande s’ilssont convaincus que leur amendementest indispensable.[140]Nous savons tous que, suivant lesEtats, les conventions internationalessont incorporées dans le droit interne demanière différente. Pour certains d’entrenous il suffit qu’une convention internationalesoit régulièrement ratifiée pourêtre du fait même incorporée au droit interne,pour d’autres Etats, la conventiondoit se trouver reproduite sous forme dedispositions de droit interne. Mais j’ai lesentiment que tout ceci est précisémentune affaire de droit interne. Nousn’avons pas l’habitude de trancher cegenre de problème dans la Conventioninternationale elle-même.Je ne suis donc pas convaincu pourma part que l’amendement qui nous estsoumis soit indispensable. J’ai plutôt tendanceà penser que si nous ne disons riensur ce sujet dans la Convention, chaqueEtat procédera pour la mise en applicationde la Convention suivant les exigencesde son droit interne à cet égard.Je demande donc une fois de plus s’il estréellement indispensable que nous délibérionssur cet amendement et que noustranchions ce problème dans le cadre dela présente Conférence.C’est donc plutôt un point d’interrogationque je pose à la Conférence avecvotre permission, Monsieur le Président.Mr. de Bresson (France). Mr. Chairman,I would like to ask our friends fromthe German delegation if they are convincedthat their amendment is indispensable.[140]We all know that, depending on theStates, international conventions are incorporatedinto internal law in differentways. For some of us, an internationalconvention need only be properly ratifiedto be, by this very fact, incorporatedinto internal law. For other States, theconvention will be reproduced in theform of provisions of internal law. But Ihave the feeling that all this is a matter ofinternal law. We are not in the habit ofdeciding upon this kind of problem inthe international Convention itself.For my part, I am not very convincedthat the amendment that has been submittedis indispensable. I rather have thetendency to think that if we do not sayanything on this subject in the Convention,each State will proceed to apply theConvention according to the requirementsof internal law. I once again ask ifit is really indispensable that we deliberateon this amendment and that we decideon this problem in the framework ofthis present Convention.It is then rather a question that I askthe Conference, with your permission,Mr. Chairman.
780 COMITE MARITIME INTERNATIONALThe Travaux Préparatoires of the Hague and Hague-Visby RulesThe Right Hon. Sir Kenneth Diplock (United Kingdom). Mr. Chairman, our objectis to make a convention which as many States as possible will ratify. If the provisionrecommended by the German delegation will make it easier for some States to ratify,then I am in favour of putting it in.I do not, for my part, think that it is indispensable, but I do not think putting it incan do any harm.The one thing seems to me to be of primary importance is that we should make itas easy as possible for all States in the world to ratify this new Protocol. I shall accordinglyvote in favour of the German proposal, although it will have no effect whateveron the United Kingdom.M. le Président. Personne ne demandantla parole, je demande à la délégationde la République Fédérale d’Allemagne sielle maintient son amendement.M. Herber (République Fédéraled’Allemagne). Oui, Monsieur le Président.M. le Président. Dans ces conditionsje vais le mettre aux voix.[141]Il est procédé au vote sur l’amendementprésenté par la délégation de la RépubliqueFédérale d’Allemagne.The Chairman. Because nobody isasking for the floor, I ask the Germandelegation if they maintain their amendment.Mr. Herber (Federal Republic ofGermany). Yes, Mr. Chairman.The Chairman. Under these conditions,I will put the amendment to thevote.[141]We proceed to the vote on theamendment submitted by the FederalRepublic of Germany.Algeria: abstains;Argentina: abstains;Belgium: no;Bulgaria: absent;Cameroon: abstains;Canada: abstains;Congo: abstains;Denmark: yes;Ecuador: abstains;Federal Republic of Germany: yes;Finland: yes;France: abstains;Ghana: yes;Great Britain and Northern Ireland: yes;Greece: no;India: abstains;Iraq: absent;Ireland: yes;Italy: no;Japan: abstains;Korea: abstains;Lebanon: abstains;Liberia: abstains;Mauritania: abstains;Monaco: abstains;Morocco: abstains;Nicaragua: abstains;Nigeria: yes;Norway: yes;Paraguay: absent;Peru: abstains;Philippines: abstains;Poland: no;Republic of China [Taiwan]:yes;South Africa: abstains;Spain: abstains;Sweden: yes;Switzerland: yes;Thailand: abstains;The Netherlands: no;Togo: abstains;U.S.S.R.: no;United Arab Republic [Egypt]: abstains;United States of America: yes;Uruguay: abstains;Vatican City: abstains;Yugoslavia: yes;
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