January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

the relationship between Rocky and Mickey seem to me?|
|1/6/05 04:38:59 PM|Massimo |Roma (means Rome)||4||||10|Charles-I know
for sure that Cus did train Jose' Torres. I was even asked to train a tall guy
named Wilt Chamberlain when he was about to fight (or to fighting) Muhammad
Ali'. Lazio b Roma 3-1. Di Canio won and Totti lost. Di Canio scored even a
goal.|
|1/6/05 04:41:01 PM|Massimo |Roma (means Rome)||4||||10|Charles-
Obviously I meant... He was even asked to train etc., not I was. I was
never asked to train Wilt Chamberlain.|
|1/6/05 04:45:18 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Kent: If he
lost, we wouldn't even be having the discussion, and I guess that's your point.
I would not have had MORE respect for Patterson if he was a very short term,
forgotten champion who was blown out by a big hitter early in his title reign.
However, in hindsight, we can safely say that we have LESS respect for him
because his manager and he avoided these guys. It would be like Ali avoiding
Frazier, Norton, Lyle and Shavers after regaining the title. True, if he
happened to get cold-cocked by Lyle in the 1975 fight, his legacy would have
been chopped in half. But if he purposefully avoided the guys who beat him
earlier in the 70's and also avoided the big knockout artists of the time, I'd
have less respect for him. Watching Shavers hammer him in the second round,
buckling Ali's knees, then seeing him clown around moments later and survive it
helped establish him as an alltime great in my mind. |
|1/6/05 04:47:01 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|That said,
you're absolutely right that Patterson or any other professional fighter is
about as far from coward as you can get.|
|1/6/05 06:24:10 PM|charles|ark.||ctjjandfam@aol.com||||10|when was all the
hoopla about wilt and ali goin on? i remember a little about it and seeing wilt
and ali squaring off on wide world of sports. i am glad it did not happen, i
loved both guys and i think probaly wilt would have lost the only fight of his
life, but wilt was a tremendous athelete. i don't think they ever got the money
right did they?|
|1/6/05 07:17:47 PM|Fan|Fandom||Fan@Fandom.com||||10|Patterson would beat Folley
and Machen most of the time. Those guys weren't the kind of fighters that beat
Patterson usually. Cus knew this but was so cautious with his bread winner he
still declared they eliminated each other when they fought to a draw in '58.
Many thought Machen had won and he would have been more dangerous for Patterson.
Eddie was a much better fighter before his loss to Ingo, anyone that saw him
fight before and after would tell you that. Machen became MUCH more defensive
from that time on. He was a much better offensive fighter believe it or not in
the mid to late 50's. Eddie was a good family man, rest his soul.|
|1/6/05 10:14:17 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|An enigma
about Patterson being a protected fighter is how come he took the fight with
Johansson after Johansson knocked out Machen in the very first round, one of the
fighters Patterson supposedly avoided? One would think that Ingo would
be on Cus' list of dangerous fighters to avoid but Floyd fought him anyway. |
|1/7/05 02:45:21 AM|Noam|same||gftafsd||||10|Angelo Dundee had some insightful
comments about Patterson in his book....."I think that Patterson froze in the
first fight against Liston, and he got himself so keyed up about not freezing in
the second fight, he froze again. Don't get me wrong. I told you before,
Patterson was a very good fighter, but being psyched out, if that was indeed the
case, can happen to any fighter. It isn't a question of being afraid, because
there is no boxer I would call a coward. To have the guts to climb into that
ring is bravery enough."In regards to Patterson's boxing ability, Dundee
wrote, "Patterson intrigued me. He had a fine record both as an amateur (he was
the Olympic middlewight champion in the 1952 games) and as a professional,
knocking out Archie Moore in five rounds back in 1956. He had a strange style,
known as the 'peekaboo' style. He held his gloves high, hiding his face, and