January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

toughness and punch, though Frazier more so. Jerry's flaw versus Frazier, and
others, I think, was that he was prone to cuts and did not block punches well.
Take those two items out of the mix, and he is very competitive vs. Frazier, a
very good puncher vs. boxer matchup. So, I stand on my opinion that he was in
fact, in Frazier's league. If you ask Joe, or read his book, he'd agree himself.
Foreman beat Frazier twice, but most writers rate Frazier as better. I feel
Jerry is also. Why? Foreman has admitted to dodging Jerry, who he saw as another
Clay Hodges, a fighter who dominated Foreman in amateur matches. Foreman was a
great physical presence but could not box, was flat-footed and unskilled. I
beleive Jerry could've taken his punch, and had the ability to outbox him. As
for Holmes, who did this guy really dominate, of his real contenders? I don't
think, despite a great effort, that he beat Norton, who was very underrated. He
had a suspect chin, and should've been counted out versus Snipes, a fighter
Jerry would defeat easily. A master boxer yes, with no real punch. Put him in
the mix 1969-1975, he's in the pack with Young, Shavers, Lyle, Jerry, Norton et
al. Not a top ten great certainly. Also, I think Jerry was best about 1973, not
in Frazier I. Just my opinion, thanks. |
|5/20/02 02:47:48 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||oriononside@aol.com||||10|Gerry you make
some good points in your last post. Having the ablility to beat someone and
being better than someone are two differeent things and yes in the best possible
situation, Jerry could have beaten Frazier on a given day. As far as Jerry
verses Holmes, it isn't who beats who and who lost to another fighter. It is
styles that makes fights and Holmes' style would have been a difficult one for
Jerry. His quickness of foot and fast jab would have been hard for Jerry to
cope with and I see Holmes winning by decision or possibly by cuts. Holmes had a
similar style to Ali's and that is why Norton gave Holmes trouble and he
probably always would have. Just as Norton couldn't seem to handle sluggers
like Shavers, Foreman, and Cooney while except for a knockdown suffered against
Shavers in their second fight; Holmes beat Shavers twice rather convincingly-
again styles make fights. I don't think Holmes had that weak of a field.
Witherspoon, Snipes, Bonecrusher Smith, Carl Williams, Cooney, Weaver and a few
others were all good figherrs. The field may have not been as strong as the
field Jerry Q, Frazier, etc had to contend with, but it wasn't weak and it was
better than what we have today. The Larry Holmes of the period from 1979 to
1982 was almost unbeatalbe it was after this time that he started to have
difficult defenses but he still seemed to find a way to pull out victories.
Regarding Frazier being rated above Foreman; any writer that says so should have
his head examined! Foreman defeated Frazier twice in the ring where it counts
and once when Frazier was just below prime status. Don't get me wrong I am a
very big fan of Smokin Joe but facts are facts. Foreman was dominate over
Frazier. |
|5/20/02 02:58:17 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||oriononside@aol.com||||10|Gerry, one
more thing I wanted to add to my last post. I too believe Jerry would have been
a good bet to beat Foreman. We probably could have gotten good odds too, say 3
to 1 or maybe 5 to 1 favoring Foreman. |
|5/20/02 06:14:14 PM|Gerry Schultz|ohio||jgschultz@firstam.com||||9|Nice
replies, Kent. I don't mean to monopolize this space, but I am getting some good
interesting answers here... I think if somehow Joe and Jerry were to go 10times,
I think Jerry would win three, which is better than any given day. Foreman was
a brutal puncher, but he was weary of Quarry, so I agree Jerry would stand a
very good chance, despite being some 25 pounds lighter, of beating George, which
is why there's a website for Jerry, I guess. Even though George did clearly
dominate Joe, I still have Joe as better overall. Both had the great foreward
gear, but Joe could box some, and did clearly defeat Ali in their peerless
matchup. I doubt George could ever catch Ali, which as you said, is about
matchups. Quarry faired much better against a younger Lyle than George. You
bring a nice list of opponents for Holmes, my issue is Larry's performances in