January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

glimmers of the fight becoming his. Yeah, sure. A 5'8" 350 pound beachball with
arms can fight hard for five rounds, but George Foreman is exhausted after the
same amount of time? Uh-huh, doesn't sound like anything's fishy about that
fight at all.|
|12/3/03 12:46:06 PM|Evan B|Belfast||evan546@juno.com||||10|RS writes, "The
reason I mention this, and the number of rounds, is that this was the time at
which Muhammad Ali is credited for having "cleverly" roped his dope, and seeing
glimmers of the fight becoming his. Yeah, sure. A 5'8" 350 pound beachball with
arms can fight hard for five rounds, but George Foreman is exhausted after the
same amount of time? Uh-huh, doesn't sound like anything's fishy about that
fight at all."What exactly are you saying, RS? Are you suggesting the Ali-
Foreman fight in Zaire was fixed? It's exhausting to go 5 rounds outdoors in a
tropical African country at 4 AM, after weeks of intense media scrutiny and
overcoming an injury, when most of the crowd is with your opponent, chanting his
name, and you suspect curses and magic have been set against you. To the
other person, we discuss any subject that arises in our more general discussion
of Jerry Quarry. Be more flexible, please. |
|12/3/03 01:23:13
PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Curses and magic?
:-) Do you really think George bought into that? Oh, I absolutely do think the
fight was dirty, probably in more ways than one, ie, ahead of time with George
(water, grapefruit, whatever), and with the judges, who were not going to let
George win by decision. I think without his aura and fixed fights, Ali would
have a record befitting a darned good, but not great champion. I'd love to see
scorecards of a lot of his fights...|
|12/3/03 02:46:18 PM|Massimo|Rome||4||||10|Horoscopes, magic, witchcraft... All
these things are a huge bunch of crap !|
|12/3/03 05:25:41 PM|Paul|Sydney, Australia||PlMls4@aol.com||||10|Everyone is
shooting up my favourite animal and sports hero. Okay, I can believe that dogs
are smarter than horses, but RS you are never going to convince me that the Ali
- Foreman fight was fixed. In that heat Foreman was never going to last 15
rounds, and in the end a punched-out, exhausted, and dispirited George simply
didn't want to get up. But I do agree that Ali's aura got him the benefit of
doubtful decisions ( eg Norton) but in my eyes it doesn't diminish his
greatness. Ali never ducked anyone, and he fought the best on offer time and
time again. Unlike your favourite heavyweight RS. If you take the three Ali
fights out of Joe Frazier's resume, Frazier might merely be regarded as an
above-average champion, but not an elite one. The way Foreman twice demolished
Joe raises huge questions about him. I also never really understood why Joe
found the time to fight Tony Doyle, Marion Conners, Manuel Ramos and Dave
Zyglwicz, but somehow never managed to enter the ring against Ken Norton, Ron
Lyle, Chuck Wepner, Mac Foster, Ernie Terrell, Zora Folley, Henry Cooper, and
Earnie Shaver. I don't think blood pressure and eye sight problems are the
reasons Joe didn't fight the best on offer (although these medical conditions
might explain why he didn't fight very often). It seems to me that unlike Ali,
there was an agenda as to who Joe did and didn't fight. |
|12/3/03 06:00:36
PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Say, I was
thinking about something the other day. Once a fighter is out of the game,
people tend to polarize with them. Either they become near bums, with faults or
bad performances from sometimes just one fight becoming overlays for their
entire careers, or they are awarded hindsight halos and abilities beyond what
they had when they were actually in the ring.That got me thinking about
Jerry Quarry's reputation as a "bleeder." How many times was he actually cut to
the point that it affected the outcome? I mean, Ali and Frazier were the fastest
heads and elbows in the west, superb at cutting up a fighter, particularly Ali,
but who else cut Jerry, causing either a loss or a situation where the fight was