January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

know patterson and norton were great fighters. jerry was not scared of anyone.|
|10/29/04 12:47:47 PM|Angelo|DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Charles---don't forget
to include in your comparison the ultimate intimidation victory: Mike Tyson had
Michael Spinks petrified during the instructions. Spinks literally lost that
fight before the bell sounded to start the fight.I've never seen a
legitimate professional boxer that afraid. Don't misunderstand: M. Spinks was
a very, very good fighter who amazed me by moving up in weight to win the
Heavyweight title. But against Tyson, he was terrified to the point of not even
trying to fight. Also, regarding Clay-Liston I.: Kent, maybe it was closer
than I recall, but look at the fighters after the fight---look at their faces
and their mobility. Liston is slumped on a stool, his face swollen and eyes
closed, with a welt the size of Montana near his eye. Clay is unmarked, and
jumping around the ring like a mad-man. The fact that Clay had so much energy
and didn't look like he had been in a fight makes me think this thing wasn't as
close as you saw it. |
|10/29/04 12:51:10 PM|Angelo|DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Charles: Ditto---I
never saw JQ intimidated by anyone. He was beaten by some of the best, but was
never afraid to stand and trade. It's why I'd give him a chance against some of
the big hitters like Tyson and Foreman. They would walk over guys like M.
Spinks and Norton, who were so afraid of them. But you take a guy like Quarry,
who could take a wallop and stand there and hit you back---and suddenly, the big
hitters lose a huge part of their edge. This is how Buster Douglas penetrated
Tyson and it's how Ali upset Foreman.|
|10/29/04 03:48:13 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Yes, that
Jerry wasn't afraid of anybody gave him an edge that other fighters didn't
have.Angelo, I was just going by what I thought the score of the fight
was not by how the momentum was changing, these are two different things. The
way Liston looked sitting on his stool, face swelled up and disallusioned,
showed that if the fight had continued, Ali would have likely had a big edge,
which he did show in round six.Once again, I score a round by the whole
round and during some of the rounds, Ali was dancing for periods and not
throwing a lot of punches while Liston was throwing a lot of punches that did
miss, he also tagged Ali with some body shots and a few head shots and he was
pressing the action most of the time.Ali, especially later in his
career,would rely on late round flurries to impress the judges, he would
literally almost take a round off at times and then use the flurries late. I
would never give a round to a fighter who does this. Sugar Ray Leonard also did
this a lot.|
|10/29/04 04:10:55 PM|An European citizen|Roma||4||||10|Angelo is right, Clay-
Liston 1 was very close ( Clay was probably 1 point ahead ) but Liston's face
was very puffy ( or puffed up, or swollen, I mean gonfia) and in worse
conditions than Cassius' . But when, at the end of the fight Cassius said:" I
DON'T HAVE A MARK ON MY FACE, I AM ONLY 22 AND I HAVE JUST UPSET SONNY LISTON"
this wasn't totally true.If you look at his face after the fight there was 1
mark.I just watched on ESPN Classic Ali'-Norton 2 and Ali'-Frazier 2.
Very honestly I have to say that I think Norton won that fight. I have seen the
fight only once but I had Norton 2 points ahead at the end . Norton had Ali' in
big trouble in round 7 and 8 ( mostly in round 7). The judge that scored it 7-5
for Ali' obviously saw another fight. The first half of the fight was only
decent, but the second was fantastic. Ali' dance throughout the entire fight. I
have Ali'-Frazier a draw or maybe Ali' won narrowly ( 1 point ), but Ali' held
Frazier throughout the entire fight. Frazier was hurt for a fraction of second
in the second round but soon recovered and was fine when the referee separated
the two fighters. Unfortunately I couldn't register (or record) these 2 fights
as my register (or recorder) is momentarily out of order ( SNORT ).|
|10/29/04 10:07:22 PM|Gerry|Cleveland||same||||9|Lou Savarese is the most
intimidated fighter I ever saw, against Mike Tyson, it was ridiculous the way he