January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

Frazier a fourth time, no doubt about it. Number one, Ali was never able
to "put Frazier away" in his mind. There were always questions inside Ali about
himself, and about this "beast of a man," as Ali called him, who trailed MA like
a frightful predator, and refused to be beaten. Secondly, the money would almost
certainly have been enormous. Though the judges had Ali ahead (I gave Frazier
the edge by a hair) at the end of 14, the conclusion was unsatisfactory, it
being halted by Frazier's swollen-shut eye. How good a fight a fourth one would
have been would be another matter. They pretty much wrecked each other in
Thrilla.|
|9/27/03 01:53:47
PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|As far as I know,
Chuvalo, Quarry, Bonavena, Ellis, etc. saw fighting Frazier only as a way to
make a lot of money, and a way to make a giant career leap if they beat him, and
that was it. Ali was obsessed with Frazier. I've read many times that Ali either
refuses to talk about him at all, or talks constantly about him, even in the wee
hours of the morning, wandering around his mansion, when Frazier isn't even
there. Joe Frazier was the most defining event and person in Ali's life, and
Muhammad will never reconcile it. Frazier doesn't like Ali, but is not similarly
haunted.|
|9/27/03 02:27:03 PM|Massimo|Rome||t||||10|Is it possible, in your mind, that
Ali' feared Foreman more than Frazier ? Foreman maybe is the most scaring
fighter of all times !!!! Do you think Ali' was confident to can beat Foreman
another time ? |
|9/27/03 03:53:54 PM|Bob Bumbera|NC||renfbera@aol.com||||10|R.S. you sound like
your obsessed with Frazier. Ali has never refused to talk about anybody...much
less Joe Frazier, Joe is one of Ali's favorite subjects. It's Frazier who
get's visably angry when Ali's name is mentioned. He Hates Ali. When Ali lit
the Olympic torch in Atlanta Joe said he wished he'd been up there with him...he
would have pushed him into the fire! I read an artical by a young writer who
spent a few days with Frazier, Joe is the one who won't let the people around
him mention Ali's name, if they do he throws them out. Frazier is the one who
won't let go, not Ali. A young Ali vs. a young Frazier. Joe may have had a
better chance, but 8 out of 10 times Ali beats Frazier. It's not that I don't
have any respect for Joe...he has always been one of my favorite fighters, but I
also can't see a prime Frazier beating a prime Tyson, Joe was a slow starter and
needed a few rounds to get into the groove. Tyson was always a fast starter,
especially when a guy is right in front of him, which Frazier would be. Joe
might slip a few punches but but Tyson's greater speed and power would would put
joe on the deck...early. A slightly less than "prime" Frazier was staggard
early by Ron Stander several times and Tyson is a world away from Stander. I'm
watching the Ali-Wepner fight, and before there are any comments on how Wepner
knocked Ali down. It was Wepners size 13 left foot that dropped Ali, not a
right to the heart.|
|9/27/03 06:33:50
PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10| R.S. you
sound like your obsessed with Frazier. Ali has never refused to talk about
anybody...much less Joe Frazier, Joe is one of Ali's favorite
subjects.>Well, he is my favorite fighter, based on the sort of fighter
he was, and his skill and determination. Ali won’t always talk about him, but
there ~are~ times when an audience wonders who put a nickel in him. It's
Frazier who get's visably angry when Ali's name is mentioned. He Hates
Ali.>Yes, I guess that’s true. Frazier does indeed sincerely hate Ali,
and for some good reasons, but it’s never seemed to me that it was the same sort
of obsession Ali has about him. Maybe neither of them will ever get the other
out of their system. I personally would have been grateful for the chance to
make all that money, and who’d care about anything else? I don’t think Frazier
ever completely internalized the star grasp Ali had on so many people, and