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didn't have anyone comment on Joe's management picking his opponents. Fighters
seldom have the last word in this manner.|
|8/18/04 06:58:07 PM|Fran|philly||plc7755@aol.com||||10|Joe Frazier was
feared.......... no one really wanted to fight him until after the the dust
settled after the first Ali fight. Every fight Joe was in was a war. Fighters
with that style do not fight long careers. Its not his fault that he didn't last
longer. Talking Boxing is one thing watching it another. Watch some of Fraziers
fights and see how great he was.He was an all time great. During that time he
was the best. Ali in Exile or not, Joe would have still beaten him in the fight
of the century when it counted. Joe Frazier was the most dominating heavyweight
of the late 60's and very early 70's.|
|8/18/04 10:06:13 PM|Timana|Auckland||kiwi@hotmail.com||||10|FranI
appreciate your comments, but cannot agree with you. Frazier's fights were wars
because the level of his ability allowed them to be.There were so many
he didn't fight that the conclusion must be that he ducked them. Ultimately, a
fighter is in charge of his agenda and he makes the decisions as to who he
fights.Ali fought all takers, one after the other. Frazier didn't. In
fact, in comparison with others of that era, Frazier hardly fought at all. The
conclusion must be that he was either fragile from the beginning, or he became
fragile after the first Ali fight (or a little bit of both).Look at
Frazier's resume with open eyes, Fran. In comparison with Ali, Joe virtually did
nothing and he was exposed for what he really was in the two floggings he got
from Foreman. If Joe fought as many times as Ali, against the same
opponents, then his loss record would have been very high. Joe's
managers had to pick and choose who he fought. They knew Joe was vulnerable. And
now we do, too. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts Fran, but I just can't
accept them on this occasion. And I, like you, have actually seen Frazier fight
and am not entirely relying on books to comment. Thanks again. |
|8/19/04 04:55:50 AM|Timana|Auckland||kiwi@aol.com||||10|I'm still scratching my
head here. I was thinking maybe I was wrong when I said that Frazier ducked
Lyle, Shavers and perhaps even Young, so I looked up there records.Lyle
was born in 1942 and was a pro fighter 1971 onwards. He fought Mathis in 1972,
Quarry in 1973, Bonavena and Ellis in 1974, and Ali and Young and Shavers in
1975. Yet Frazier never fought him.Let's look at Shavers. Born 1945 and
turned pro in 1969. He fought Young, Ellis and Quarry in 1974, Young in 1974,
Lyle in 1975, Ali in 1977, and Holmes in 1978. If Frazier I wanted, I bet
Shavers would even had fought him, too.Young was born in 1949 His best
years were 1974 to 1977. He was top 10 between 1975 and 1977. He fought Ali in
1976, Norton in 1977 and also Foreman. It should have been an easy fight for
Frazier, but he never took it.Why didn't he fight Ernie Terrell ?
Terrell was around in 1966 and 1967 wjen Joe was fighting guys like Doug Jones
and George Chuvalo. |
|8/19/04 07:34:39 AM|Massimo|Roma, remember Cicerone ?||Henry
Purcell.com||||10|I think we can debate whether Frazier was a top tenner or not,
but he was without a doubt a great champion. He was involved in some of the best
fights of all time and this makes him a boxing immortal. I think even in 2119
boxing fans will be watching (or will watch) on tapes Frazier-Ali' 1-3 and
Frazier-Quarry 1 ( what a fight !). Even Muhammad Ali' has a good opinion of Joe
Frazier as a fighter. Even an in prime Ali' couldn't stop Chuvalo, while Frazier
beat him in four rounds !Anyway, I am a little surprised that Frazier
did need so much time to recover after the first Ali'fight. I mean, I know
he took 1 million punches, but were almost all light jabbes. I think he took
worst beatings against Foreman, in Manilla and against Quarry in the first
fight.PS:I would be courious to know what RS ( the N.1 Frazier fan)
would have to say on this subject !|
|8/19/04 08:31:47 AM|steve |NJ||dmmsrm@comcast.net||||10|I agree that Ali was
possibly the best heavyweight all time.However,even though we've dispensed with