January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

fight for me ?" or "What fight would the public most like to watch ?" No. He
always asked himself, "Who would be the easiest fight ?" The interests
of the fight game or the paying public didn't matter. He fought whatever stiff
he could get away with fighting. Whether Shavers was in form or not, he
always had an unpredictable punch that presented a clear danger to Joe. So he
didn't fight him. Same with Lyle. And Norton. And I could go on.Joe
himself acknowledged that he fought "tomato cans", "dogmeat", "sissies", "human
shock absorbers", and a "pudding". I guess you've got to have superior
intelligence and wisdom like Forest says he's got to really appreciate
mismatches and post mortems. |
|2/28/05 10:30:33 PM|Steve|N.J.||n/a||||10|Yeah,you guys who realy seem to be
determined to disregard Frazier as a great fighter compared to Ali must be
correct.Since there are so many of you out there.As a young guy,I was always
much more excited watching Ali torment Cleveland Williams,Zora Foly,Ernie
Terrel,and Floyd Patterson.Yeah,that was way more exciting than waiting for a
Frazier fight against Quarry twice,or Foreman twice,or Bonevena twice,you
know,all those soft touches.|
|2/28/05 10:44:30 PM|Steve|N.J.||n/a||||10|At their peaks,Quarry and Frazier
would have walked through Norton,Shavers,and Lyle!!I just don't see any of them
having a chance of slowing SMOKING Joe down.Did any of you guys actually see Joe
fight in his prime? He was a nonstop punching machine.|
|3/1/05 01:36:59 AM|Kent |La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Forest, I
think some of the Frazier critics might assume that since I am defending
Frazier's postion as an all time great that I am putting Ali down. But this
isn't the case as I have always said Ali is the best heavyweight of all time and
if Frazier is also an all time great, and Ali beat him two times out of three
fights, this improves Ali's legacy because the had the edge over a great fighter
and as you pointed out, they try to make Joe measure up to Ali's example when
very few, if any, could even come close to his exampleIt seems some here
are stuck in the logical fallacy of the the either or syndrome. In which if one
varible is true than the other varible has to be false. But this isn't true as
two items can be true and the argument holds up.|
|3/1/05 03:25:13 AM|Massimo |Roma ||4||||10|Howard C.-Zora Folley
knocked down Oscar Bonavena in 1965 while Bonavena fought Frazier the first time
in 1966. So this doesn't explain why Joe fought him again in 1968. Anyway, it
is true that the pudding ( another new word together with the stopping
bucks)Ellis knocked Bonavena down twice after the first Joe-Oscar
fight.Regarding Ron Lyle I have seen him fight three times: against
Ali', against Foreman and against Cooney. Against Foreman he looked so dangerous
and came so close to beating George. Against Ali' he wasn't that impressive.
Ali' was kidding around and still Lyle was harmless and was not able to show him
that it wasn't the cause to fight like a clown. Yeah Lyle was ahead after 10
rounds but I don't think he fought a great fight that night. Apart (from) the
eight round which (or that)Ali' won and the eleventh round the fight was boring.
Gerry Cooney humiliated an old but in shape (211 lbs, if I remember correctly)
Ron Lyle. |
|3/1/05 05:53:53 AM|Massimo |Roma||4||||10|"Small Daddy" Bowe will be sadly back
in the ringon 25 March against a journeyman named Willie Chapman. The real
"Big Daddy" is a guy who lives in Miami now but used to live in Los Angeles, my
next home town.|
|3/1/05 07:03:50 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|I have seen
met Willie Chapman and I have seen him fight and mark my words here, I would not
be surprised if he kicks Bowe's ass and sends him back to retirement. Chapman
only has about a 50% win rate in about forty fights but he has a habit of
beating young undefeated fighters who try to take him on before about their
fifteeth fight. It is not a stretch that he has a good chance to beat an aging
ex champion in Bowe. Chapman is the kind of guy who often takes fights