January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

eathing room to unload his bombs and although Shavers would have a chance to
hurt Frazier, particularly in the first two rounds, Shavers didn't have the huge
height advantage that Foreman had over Frazier which Foreman used to catch
Frazier coming in before Frazier could crowd him, much like Thomas Hearns did to
Pipino Cuevas as Cuevas like Frazier never landed his best punches to get into
the fight after being badly hurt early in the fight.This would make
Shavers much less likely to catch Frazier with his bombs like Foreman did. I
see a Frazier/Shavers match up ending up like the Frazier/M. Foster fight, by a
mid round knockout win for Frazier, which might come in Shavers' case as early
as the third round when Frazier got to "smokin" full steam ahead. Remember if
Jerry Quarry could hurt and overwhelm Shavers for a knockout win just like
Quarry also did to M. Foster, then Frazier certainly could do the same
thing.Next up I will give my views on a Frazier/Ron Lyle match up but
first you will have to dispute my take on Frazier verses M. Foster and Frazier
verses Shavers.My point is I don't think Frazier was avoiding the
sluggers you guys point out in the relevent period, before 1975 because I flat
out don't think these fighters could have beaten Frazier and also the public
wasn't calling for such fights. You can argue that Lyle might be an
exception as he had wins over Shavers, Bonevena, and Ellis but this would have
made such a match with Frazier attractive in 1975 after Frazier had already
beaten Quarry, who had beaten Lyle and while I can't say for sure if Frazier's
fight with Quarry in 1974 was an official title elimination fight, Frazier
certainly deserved a title shot with his win. So which fight should Frazier
take next? A title shot verses Ali or a fight with contender Lyle? I realize
you will likely point out again that he took the Ellis fight instead of a fight
with Lyle as Lyle beat Ellis but that was for preperation for the Ali fight and
Frazier was entitled to a tune up against a faded Ellis, which makes complete
sense because of Ellis' simlilar style to Ali's, because Frazier had already
earned his title shot.Again at the time in question the public was
calling for a Ali/Frazier fight much more than they were for a Frazier/Lyle
fight. What the public wanted is the paramount issue here.I think my
main point is that we can't just lump all of the sluggers together and make a
general statement that Frazier couldn't beat them, so his management knew this
and avoided them, just by how the the first Foreman fight turned out as Foreman,
unlike Shavers, Lyle, and M. Foster, was an all time great while these other
fighters could hit hard but were flawed fighters Frazier likely would have
beaten. You also shouldn't include Norton in this group as although he hit
hard, he wasn't the pure slugger Foreman and these other fighters were.|
|3/14/05 11:20:18 PM|FRAZIER CRITICS|ALI-LOVERS-
VILLE||FRAZERISACHUMP.COM||||10|INSTEAD OF ANSWERING ANY LOGICAL QUESTIONS
CONCERNING POINTS OF VIEW THAT MIGHT DISPUTE OUR CLAIM THAT FRAZIER AVOIDED ALL
SLUGGERS, WE WILL ANSWER ONCE AGAIN IN MONOTONE VOICES: JOE FRAZIER AVOIDED ALL
STRONG KNOCKOUT ARTISTS BECAUSE GEORGE FOREMAN BEAT FRAZIER EASILY. WE DON'T
KNOW HOW TO ARGUE LOGICALLY (STILL IN A MONOTONE VOICES). WE JUST KNOW HOW TO
MAKE GENERAL STATEMENTS THAT CAN'T BE PROVED.|
|3/14/05 11:43:11 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Massimo, you
are right, there are not many fighters who could have taken the best shots of
the fighters you named but the point is, if they landed their best shots has a
lot to do with if they won fights or not.I will tell you one fighter who
took the best shots of Shavers, Lyle, M. Foster, and who could have taken
Cooney's best shots and maybe even Foreman's as well and that is, Jerry Quarry
who in the period of 1973 to 1974 was was considered a very dangerous opponent.
Jerry was, like Norton a hard hitter but not a pure slugger but he beat several
fighters who were pure sluggers.|
|3/15/05 01:34:15 AM|Kent |La Habra, Ca||Kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Actually the
real Frazier critics have a point when they argue that Frazier left a lot in the
ring when he fought Ali the first time because yes Joe only had so many fights