January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

that he beat ? Ellis ? Quarry ? Both are very good heavyweights, but neither are
realistically up there as all time greats. Nup. For mine, Frazier ducked
fighting too many fighters of his era to be considered a truly great legend. If
you guys want to put Frazier right up there, then how good does that make
Foreman ? And then how good does that make Ali ?I believe that Frazier
benefitted from the hatred towards Ali. There were so many boxing fans that
wanted Ali's butt kicked, that Frazier became idolised because he was seen as
the most likely to do it. But be fair......why does Joe's resume have so
many holes in it ? |
|8/17/04 06:24:51 AM|Eugene|Roma, but born in Pisa||Ray Impelletiere is the
greatest.com||||10|Yes, I have to admit there is something true in what you are
saying. But Frazier was part of 3 of the best heavyweight fights I have ever
seen(8 March, Manilla, Quarry 1) and to me it is already enought to rate him
among the champions. Whatsmynamesucker-Frazier would have been an interesting
fight. Terrell's shoe size against Frazier's stubborn aggression and punching
power.I think that Joe Frazier's chin was very good, not quite in the same
class (or even league) with McCall, Chuvalo,Peralta and Ali', but very good.|
|8/17/04 06:59:49 AM|Fran|philly||plc7755@aol.com||||10|After the first Ali
fight Joe's career changed he had climbed the mountain and he was done. He did
choose his opponents. His size and style didn't make for a long career. Ali's
did. No matter how you look back on it if you were watching back then you
remember he was the man during the time of Ali's exile. Why he fought Foreman
I'll never know. He didn't need Foreman he was champ. He could have let Ali or
Quarry fight him and take the winner just like he did with Mac Foster who was
the #1 contender in 70 he let Jerry fight him. Frazier was from 68 to 71 the
best out there. So you guys make good points, my only point is that time and the
longevity factor and fighting Foreman have diminished Fraziers place in history.
He was great with that head movement and Philadelphia left hook and always in
top shape. |
|8/17/04 07:27:25 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|I think Ali and
Foreman were head and shoulders above the rest of their period. Frazier was
very, very good, but Foreman revealed him. Plus he ducked Liston early in his
career, and Lyle, Norton, and Shavers later on. He was in terrible shape against
Foreman, Stanader, and Daniels. Mike Tyson does not have 10% of Joe's gameness
or will to win. Frazier was also one of the greatest (if not the greatest) in-
fighters of all time. I respect him very much. |
|8/17/04 11:24:25 AM|Fran|philly||plc7755@aol.com||||10|John If Ali was head
and shoulders above Frazier then how come joe whupped him in the first fight
knocked him down and broke his jaw. Gave him hell in the next 2 fights. Norton
beats him in thier first fight breaks his jaw and the next 2 were very close.
Either one of those 2 series of fights could have gone against Ali. That is more
like a short hair rather than head and shoulders isn't it. Jimmy Young beat Ali
but didn't get the decision, Jimmy Young also beat Foreman. |
|8/17/04 11:36:20 AM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Maybe Jimmy Old is the greatest
heavyweight of all time ! Who knows ? He even gave Norton one hell of a fight !
I have never seen Jimmy in the ring.|
|8/17/04 11:45:20 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Timana
makes very good points about Frazier---I've always put Joe in the company of the
alltime greats, Ali and Foreman, but I'm the first to admit that I don't have a
reasonable response to debate what Timana has stated. This isn't the first time
that someone on this board has challenged Frazier's legacy---and made some very
valid points. The theme is that Frazier's opponents after 1970 weren't the top
of the division, except for Ali and Foreman, and his combined record against
those guys is 1-4 (including a decision win and three KO losses).And yes,
the truth of the matter is that fighting Ellis and Quarry, who he already
defeated, seemed to be the path of least resistance considering that Lyle,
Norton and Shavers were on the scene, fighting Foreman, Ali and eachother.