January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

terrible match-up. Norton was the protected fighter, not Frazier. Norton
always said they wouldn't fight because they were friends, that was his thing,
not Joe's.|
|8/19/04 05:47:54 PM|Cristoforo Colombo from Genova|Roma||Nina, Pinta, Santa
Maria.com||||10|To say that after 8 March 1971 Frazier was a shot fighter is
exaggerated in my opinion. A shot fighter doesn't fight a Thrilla and doesn't
beat Jerry Quarry in the way Joe did. He just did need time to recover. Put Mike
Tyson in Manilla and after 6 rounds he would be already crying " Mummy, mummy,
sigh !". But I agree that Joe Frazier's chin was not as good as Ali's and
powerful guys like Lyle, Shavers and Mac Foster might have given him some
trouble. On the other hand, Jimmy Old and Whatsmayname werejust not powerful
enough to stop Frazier's stubborn aggression and pressure and would have lost.
Frazier fought good punchers in the names of Chuvalo, Quarry, Bonavena and even
Ali' but the only 1 punch knockout artist he ever fought ( Giorgio) kicked his
ass. And Bonavena knocked him down one and a half times.|
|8/19/04 08:23:11 PM|angelo|dc||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|I agree that Norton
probably ducked Joe Frazier more than Frazier dodged Norton. Still, it irks me
that we never got to see either one of these guys stand in with Shavers and
Lyle. As I said before, it seems as though both of them, especially Norton,
built their careers squarely around Ali. Did Norton ever fight Mike Weaver?
That seems like a natural matchup in the middle to late 70's.|
|8/19/04 08:39:28 PM|angelo|dc||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Massimo:Frazier
wasn't shot, but was never the same. He channeled his best efforts against Ali
and as they say, styles make fights. It's why Ali took Foreman but Foreman
blasted Frazier twice. Kent makes the point that Frazier vs. Quarry was a
result of Quarry beating Shavers. As I said, lucky Joe---not lucky to draw
Quarry, but in a way, yes, since it's a guy he already beat, who weighed less
than Shavers and wasn't considered a one-punch KO artist like Shavers. Joe was
a slow starter (notorious for being slow out of the gate) and Shavers might have
expolited that like Foreman did. If Frazier got over the early round hump and
took a 1974 Shavers to the middle rounds, Frazier would win. On the other hand,
I think he might have even more trouble against Lyle, who was cut in the Foreman
mold. Frazier would have taken Norton by wearing him down. |
|8/19/04 08:44:09 PM|angelo|dc||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|By the way, Ron Stander
was ranked # 30 in the world (that's number thirty, not number three) when
Frazier gave him the title shot.|
|8/19/04 08:46:50 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Angelo, of
course Jimmy Young would have boxed circles around Frazier in 1976. Joe was
already gone from the scene by that time, only fighting his rematch with
Foreman, a fight he never should have taken. There is no way Young would have
boxed circles around Frazier in 1973 or 1974. Joe would have destroyed
him.Timana, you are speaking of chronilogical age and Frazier was much
older in age ringwise, due to the wars he had been in, and used up compared to
Lyle and Shavers. Lyle especially as he got a late start in the boxing game
because he was in jail through much of his twenties.Funny how nobody
ever says Jerry ducked Lyle and Shavers for rematches. The reason no one can say
he ducked them is he was already a used up fighter by 1974 or 1975 and he was
not the same fighter he was in 1973, just one year before his ill fated second
fight with Frazier. The reason Jerry didn't duck Lyle or Shavers is he
shouldn't have been fighting after the beating he took from Frazier and the
Norton fight hurt him even that much further.|
|8/19/04 11:20:58 PM|Joe Krause|Chicago||sadmspats@yahoo.com||||10|Stander was
not a top contender, however he owned a better win then Earnie Shavers did until
Shavers beat Jimmy Young and Jimmy Ellis in 1973. Who did Stander beat? He
knocked out Earnie Shavers in the 5th round as Shavers basically punched himself
out. Why would Joe Frazier fight a guy that was starched in one round by Jerry
Quarry then two fights later loses a decision to Cowboy Bob Stallings? Shavers