January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

Frazier in the same category as Floyd Patterson. Angelo, let me give you some
background on Floyd Patterson as the Heavyweight Champion. I am not going to
write about Joe Frazier.Looking at the champions from Dempsey to Holmes,
Patterson without doubt was the biggest cheese champion of all time. He won the
championship against Archie Moore, no problem with that. Then after winning it
he avoided every legitmate contender available. Patterson reinvented the
color line, he would not fight black fighters as a champion unless someone put a
gun to his head. During the approximately 5 years he was champion he fought two
black fighters. One, Patterson had already beaten prior to winning the title,
Tommy Jackson. And the other, Sonny Liston, had to wait 4 years before Patterson
would fight him. Patterson would only fight white stiffs. But even that was not
a foolproof method. Ingo managed to knock Patterson outIt wasn't enough
that Patterson fought bums and amateurs, remember Pete Radermacher? His 1st pro
fight was against Patterson for the title. Patterson brought his own referee's
to the fights. Joe Walcott did the McNeely fight, and Tommy Loughran did the the
Radermacher fight. The 2 referee's were not licensed by the local commissions,
but they were close friends of Cus D'Amato and Dan Florio. That was enough to
qualify them for referee licenses for the 2 fights.Let me stop you
before you bring up Frazier's fights with white stiffs such as Stander and
Daniels. You don't bring those up, and I won't bring up Ali's fights with:
London, Coopman, Evangelista, Wepner, Dunn. Although in fairness to Ali towards
the end of his career, his manager Herbert Muhmmad knew Ali was falling apart
and he did not want to risk Ali losing his championship to a white guy.
Otherwise, I am sure Ali would have gave Scott Leadoux a chance instead of Leon
SpinksIs your bias against Frazier that overwhelming? Or is your
knowledge about boxing and boxing history that limited that you put Patterson in
the same category as Frazier? Is it that you read boxing record books and then
draw your own conclusions without any historical data to support your
conclusions. Angelo, really your placing Patterson and Frazier on the
same plateau answers a lot of questions about your judgement regarding boxing.
There is no motive alterior behind this Chinese Water torture you put me through
everytime you write these mostly unfoundered remarks about Frazier . You know
very little about what you are writting about|
|6/24/05 06:59:53 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|Forest - it's the timing of the
fights he had and the timing of the fights he ducked, as well as the quality of
the opposition he fought and didn't fight, that matters, but these are just some
more points about Frazier you Dead Parroters don't want to accept.When
he fought Stander and Daniels he had the title. He was the champion fighting
relative nobodies when much better performed contenders were ready and
waiting.When he fought Ellis the second time, Ellis hadn't won for over
four years. Ellis was completely clapped out. To sell the fight Frazier had to
take it to the other side of the planet.Gerry - Ali said offensive
things about Frazier BEFORE they fought, not afterwards. It sold tickets and
made them the biggest fights in history. Not a hard concept to understand, I
would have thought.Frazier dumped on guys before AND after he fought
them. The offensive things he had to say about guys were offensive and also
personal. He called guys tomato cans and speed humps and punching bags, etc.
Given the poor quality of some of the opposition he chose, maybe he was being
truthful but it was still insulting.Frazier's hatred of Ali is jealousy.
He is jealous that Ali is so widely revered and that most good judges place him
as either the best or second best while Frazier was largely ignored, even by his
own Eddie Futch. I know that you guys lived through that era, and that
you desperately wanted Joe to shut Ali's mouth. But just because it never
happened you guys should let go of the grudge - it all happened 30 years
ago.The gaps in Joe's resume are obvious. |
|6/24/05 09:01:51 PM|Angelo|dc||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Forrest: Noam
summarized and said it better than I could. Regarding my comparison of Frazier