January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

there were a lot of them he didn't face either.Lyle and Frazier himself
were the only big hitters George fought. Lyle gave Foreman hell before Foreman
came back to pull out the win and Frazier never really tagged George with his
best shots so we don't know how George would have handled them. I think
Foreman's height advantage and his finishing ability would most of the time
catch Frazier early before Frazier had warmed up. Lyle, on other hand although
he also had a huge punch, sometimes let fighters get off of the hook, he wasn't
the finisher Foreman was. Frazier would have been more likely to survive to get
into his rythem and I pick Frazier in this one. Shavers didn't have the height
advantage over Frazier that Foreman did so Frazier would have been more likely
to get inside to control the fight. Of course Shavers might land some bombs
early but I can see Frazier avoiding them, even early in the fight, to dominate
Shavers from the third round on. The thing is Noam and other Frazier
critics, you seem to be looking at the situation from a current prospective in
which fighters like Lyle and Shavers are better regarded then they were early in
their careers because the accomplished more later, 1975 and after when Frazier
had essentially gone from the scene. But circa 1974 and before, they would have
been considered too inexperienced to be put in the ring with Frazier and their
losses to Quarry in 1973 bore this out.It is quite possible that their
manangement didn't want fights with Frazier as, why ruin a good prospect by
putting him in over his head too soon? The logic could have been, if they can't
get by Quarry, then they probably couldn't handle Frazier either and when they
were experienced enough, in 1975 onward, Frazier was gone from the scene. |
|6/27/05 02:55:14 PM|Fan|Fandom||Fan@Fandom.com||||10|The anti-Frazier crowd has
solid points, and so does the pro-Frazier crowd. That is why this debate and
this site is so interesting. Frazier-Holyfield=Frazier UDFrazier-
Liston=Liston KO 7Frazier-Shavers=Frazier KO 2Frazier-Lyle=Frazier TKO
8Frazier-Holmes=Holmes Split DecisionFrazier-Ali Prime (1967)= Ali U Dec
10-5Frazier-Norton=Frazier KO 3Frazier-Patterson=Frazier KO 6|
|6/27/05 04:11:29 PM|Gerry|Cleveland||same||||10|I actually liked both the Cards
and the Red Sox, personally. I think we could see them both again, possibly...
Ali, in my opinion, was very good for America, for a while. But he was a
belching jackass by the time Frazier lopsidedly beat him. I don't think Joe was
ever that popular, no, and there's no question which one meant more to boxing.
But Ali was a tired act by that fight. I think Frazier gave boxing and America a
much-needed break by showing his Greatness the canvas ... I have read Joe's
book, a very good read to me. He was very respectful of Jerry, which I liked a
lot. Joe does have a lot of venom for Ali, which is a little ridiculous in some
ways. But, personally, it is very understandable. Ali was way over the line by
any definition of fight promotion. Ali, for all his greatness, revealed a real
lack of class. I can't imagine anyone willing to go that low again to promote a
fight. |
|6/27/05 04:15:44 PM|Gerry|Cleveland||same again||||10|P.S., as someone who
still sings rock for fun and profit, my vocal picks are Robert Plant, Steve
Perry, Ian Gillian, Freddie Mercury and Lou Gramm.And yes, I do sing all the
above, among others. Thanks.|
|6/27/05 04:25:36 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Gerry: I
had you pegged for a Burt Bacharach crooner! Actually, the Burt Bacharach/Elvis
Costello collaboration (LP from a few years ago, "Painted by Memory" was quite
good.|
|6/27/05 04:33:58 PM|Joe Frazier|Philadelfia, the same as
Balboa||legends@lefthooks.com||||10|I'm glad to see that so many people is (or
are) interested in my career!! Doesn't that mean that I am the greatest ? My
best greetings to that scamboogah Ali', or Cassius Clay, or whatever the heck is
name is! See you chump, see you scamboogah, I did beat you in each of our 3
fights, I don't care about what the judges said. Don't forget my unstoppable
fire, my courage, my heart and my left hook! Regards, "Smoking" Joe Frazier (a