January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

5'9" tall but strong at about 210 pounds. He was just a step below the world
class main event level and he lost to George Foreman, Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier,
Ron Lyle, Jerry Quarry, (three times), Joe Bugner, Eddie Machen, Henry Clark,
Thad Spencer, Boone Kirkman, and Duane Bobick.At his own level, as a
club fighter, he was 19-9-5, not a great record but respectable.Noam,
Frazier fought Bonavena, Machen, and Doug Jones in his 12th, 13th, and 14th
career fights, pretty tough competition early in someone's career.It is
you who view Frazier through emotion, extreme dislike for the man and the
fighter.|
|7/25/05 08:01:00 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|Hi Massimo - I quoted on the Bonavena
fight from Frazier's book. I used his words. At page 49 this is what Frazier
says of the first knockdown:"Bonavena hurt me with that right hand, hurt
me like I hadn't been hurt since Georgey Boy had sledgehammered me that first
day in the PAL gym....and when I hit the cancass it was as though I'd been
awakened abruptly from a deep sleep."And after the second knockdown,
when there was a minute left to drop Joe a third and final time (3 knockdown
rule), Frazier wrote, "With more than a minute left in the round, I did what I
had to do. I grabbed Bonavena and drew him into a clinch....I stayed close to
him, trying to smother his punching room. And when I could, I grabbed his arms
and held him until the referee broke the clinch."Hey Massimo, blame
Frazier for exaggeration, not me.Kent - get your head out of silly,
petty, trivial stuff and argue the issues. Look at the facts. Frazier was
fighting down in opposition, not fighting up. He was fighting guys who'd already
been beaten by guys he'd already beaten. For the entire 1967. No new horizons
there. You said that others were ducking Frazier. Yet of the 8 fighters
chosen to enter the elimination tournament, only one refused.....JOE FRAZIER !
The others were all prepared to fight Joe but Joe wouldn't enter the tournament
to fight them.Joe said he was too good. Have a look at the quality of
opposition on which that boast was based. It was BS, big time, but you idolise
Frazier that much you can't admit it. Dead Parrot hall-of-famer. Kent,
this is George Johnson's fight record below BEFORE he fought Frazier in
1967:beat Brown, loss to Machen, beat Umek, loss to Quarry, drew with
Leslie, drew with Ramos, beat Harryman, loss to Rush, loss to Clark, loss to
Lincoln, beat Rogers, loss to Rogers, loss to Spencer, loss to Moore, loss to
Kendall, beat Moore, drew with Davey, beat Crear, beat Bennett, drew with
Turman, lost to Cab, loss to Fleeman, beat Bowser, loss to Carroll.I got
this from Box Rec. Before Frazier, Johnson had had 24 fights for 12 losses, 4
draws, and 8 wins. His record is awful, yet Frazier fought him. You can't avoid
that awful truth by averting attention with petty, trivial, meaningless
interjections. Next thing you'll have us arguing about what colour shorts they
were wearing. Get real for once.By the way, I should say thanks. When
the new guy Les came along, I said to my girlfriend, "Watch for Kent jumping in
as quick as he can to impress Les by big noting." We had a small wager and you
didn't let me down. Ta.|
|7/25/05 08:03:56 PM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Oh, my
apologies Noam, you were talking about Johnson's record going into the Frazier
fight not his entire record. But he was still a very tough fighter. Who gave a
lot, even in losing efforts.A fighter learns his trade fighting guys
like him and any prospect that loses to him is written off. An important test
anyway and a way for someone like Frazier to stay active.Johnson would
land some hard punches even if he was losing rounds and he often didn't lose
rounds by much.I am sure every world class fighter knew very well that
Johnson was in the ring too.|
|7/25/05 08:11:43 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|Kent, by the way, the record of
Johnson I spoke of was BEFORE he fought Frazier. It was an appalling 24 fights
for 12 losses, 4 draws and only 8 wins.His OVERALL record was 47 fights,
for 23 losses, 5 draws, and 19 wins. By my calculation Johnson won only 40 % of