January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

the most compelling figures of the Twentieth Century. Nobody has answered the
question I posed about Ali ducking Erine Shavers from '72 thru '75, the same
time frame many of you say Frazier ducked him. Ali fought everyone, Jurgin
Blin, Al Lewis, Buster Mathis, Bob Foster, Mac Foster. He was fond of shoving
that in the face of Frazier. And still no Erine Shavers. An Ali fight with
either Dempsey or Marciano would be totally different than a the Frazier
affairs, niether one had the same style as Frazier. I think Ali would have a
tough time vs. both Dempsey and Marciano at the peak of their careers. I
beleive Marciano to be the eaiser touch. |
|7/15/05 08:40:15 PM|Bob Bumbera|NC||renfbera@aol.com||||10|Noam, I agree
completley with what you say about Frazier vs. Ali in 1968, if there was no Viet
Nam. Ali would have destroyed Frazier within 10 rounds in 1968. No doubt in
my mind.|
|7/15/05 08:58:27 PM|Fan|Fandom||Fan@Fandom.com||||10|There is no doubt that Ali
fought better fighters in his second career. He fought Frazier three times,
Foreman, Norton three times, Quarry twice, Lyle, Shavers, Bonavena as some
notables. In his first career his best opponents were Liston twice, Patterson,
Cooper twice, Terrell. Really there is no comparison.If Ali fought
Frazier in 1968 he would have won. It either would have been a late knockout or
10-5, 11-4 type decision. Ali in 1968 would have been at his physical and
mental prime. Frazier would never have been champ until Norton beat Ali (which
would have still happened in the seventies) and Frazier knocked out Norton
unless Foreman got to him first. If Foreman got to him first Frazier would have
never been champ. If Frazier got to him first in about 1974 Ali would have won
a decison against Frazier and there would have been no Manila. Another
possibility is Norton giving Ali another shot right away. Ali probably wins
then Foreman and Frazier are both never champs.|
|7/15/05 10:41:54 PM|steve |nj||na||||10|Noam,you know,I didn't like Ali's
politics or ,religious believe,based on hatred.I didn't even like Ali as a
man.However,I think he was just like me in 1966,67,and 68,young,dumb,and full of
come.I'm sure he was manipulated by the Black Muslims,and all the white
promoters and handlers who knew a gold mine when they saw it.So he stayed out of
Nam.He paid dearly for his decision.However,I think he might have been
right.Nothing good ever came out of that bad place.Just 58,000 broken hearted
families,and about 200.000 crazy fuckers like me.Pardon my French.|
|7/16/05 12:47:10 AM|Kent|Murrrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Les, by
saying fighters don't have firm handshakes is not implying they have limp
wristed ones either.But I have met George Foreman, Jerry, Mike, and Bob
Quarry, James Toney, Vassiily Jirov, Chris Byrd, Kirk Johnson, Sean O'Grady,
Terry Norris, Cornelius Boza Edwards, Gabriel Ruelas, Alex Ramos, Carlos
Palimino, Danny "Little Red" Lopez, Bobby Chacon, and many others and all of
them put very little pressure in their handshakes. It is only "average Joes"
who don't use their hands as weapons that think firm handshakes are
important.I am around boxers a lot as I attend at least 25 fight cards a
year.|
|7/16/05 02:22:36 AM|Noam|same||same||||10|KentOne of the reasons is
that boxers have damaged hands and they don't like to have their hands squeezed
hard in a shake so they don't squeeze hard themselves.The hand has
hundreds of little bones that boxers break at some stage in their careers. Ali
had brittle hands and was getting needles in them before fights. The problem is
endemic in lower weights.Fan - I agree. There is absolutely no doubt
that Ali fought better fighters in his 'second' career. That's what makes it so
impressive. He fought them all.Bob - while Ali fought regularly in the
period you mentioned, Frazier didn't. Ali's time was at a premium; Joe's wasn't.
Ali would have fought Shavers in that period if he had the time. Also, Ali was
better physically in the period you mention so, if he was ducking him, why did
he fight him later.Where's Massimo ?|