January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

think if the ref had been a pro and kept Ali in a neutral corner, Sonny could
have gotten up and continued. With Ali standing over him not moving away the
ref, Jersey Joe Walcott, should have called time and restored order. Ali would
have KO'ed him anyway. Liston was hurt by smaller guy's than Ali. Machen shook
him up, and the guy who took Sonny 10 rounds twice, I can't think of his
name(I'll look it up),also shook Sonny up and remember Leotis Martin. Also,
Liston was a strange bird, nobody liked him and he might have just said to hell
with it who needs this crap both times. We may never know. As for "The Rumble
in the Jungle", the ropes were loose, witch doctors were dancing the Moon was in
the Seventh House yadda,yadda,yadda. I don't think it made any difference.
George never had the kind of endurance needed to keep up with Ali. Ali took a
body pounding on the ropes yes, he also landed straight hard shots on Foreman
that wore George down. Big George's legs were gone after the 6th round. The
heat may have bothered George but it was the same temperature for Ali. The time
off for the cut eye? George had enough time to get back into shape. Don King?
Well maybe. But a fix...no way. George can't beat Ali period, prime vs. prime,
32 vs. 28. I also don't think Jimmy Young got robbed. He did jab Ali's head
off, but every time Ali went on the offensive he ducked through the ropes to
hide. If you say "thats his style" fine, that style won't win you a
championship. Judges are influenced by your style and, if your trying to win or
just survive. Young wasn't trying to beat Ali like he was vs. Norton or
Foreman. He was in there, that night, to survive. |
|9/25/02 05:52:15 PM|Bob Bumbera|NC||renfbera@aol.com||||10|Bert Whitehurst was
the guy that took Liston the distance twice. I think Sonny hurt him in both
fights and couldn't put him away. Small crafty guy from St. Louis. Oh, Steve,
what was questionable about the way Ali began his career.|
|9/26/02 12:09:26 PM|Joe Krause|Chicago||sadmspats@yahoo.com||||10|Liston got
hit with the best shots Cleveland Williams had and wasn't seriously hurt. Ali
beat Liston twice the record books say. I have heard many stories about those
fights and can only say no one really knows what happened except for Sonny. The
Foreman fight was legit with Ali of course having all the advantages. He always
had them by that point of his career because he was Ali.|
|9/26/02 01:40:55 PM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|I believe Liston
and Williams fought twice and they both ended in round 2. Williams was good
fighter with a good left hook and left jab.Sadly, he was hit by a car and
killed about two years ago in Houston. |
|9/26/02 08:46:48 PM|tim|new york||steinmec@frontiernet.net||||10|I loved Jerry
Quarry. Does anyone remember his fight with Chuvalo? Seems to me that Jerry
was kicking his butt when he got caught with a left hook. He went down, jumped
up and for some reason took the 8 count on one knee. But he stayed down until
after Zack Clayton counted 10. He went nuts claiming he missed the count.
Later Boxing Illustated magazine implied the Quarry quit because he couldn't put
Chuvalo away. That is the dumbest thing Bert Sugar ever said. He said
something about the draw with Tony Alongi--that Jerry complained about low blows
and at one point wanted to quit that fight also. I seem to rember Ring magazine
describing Chuvalo after the fight as a "mess" and "took quite a going-over even
as a winner". Any comments out there?|
|9/27/02 06:51:27 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|Chuvalo was a
very tough guy and won fair and square. He did take a beating, but Jerry stayed
down too long. I don't know why. He certainly did not quit. Perhaps he was too
disoriented by the punch, the crowd, or whatever. Bert Sugar will say anything
just to get quoted. He thinks he is terribly clever and is his own greatest
fan.|
|9/27/02 09:36:54 AM|P. Drolet|Montreal||drolpaul@aol.com||||10|John, the first
Liston-Williams fight,held in Miami on April 15th, 1959, ended in the 3rd round.
Jerry's losses to Ellis and Chuvalo were the ones he most regretted. The
Ellis fight should have been postponed. Jerry was devastated by the loss to