January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

pound on him, with occasional flurries, and this began creeping more and more
into his actual fights. He always said that the majority of his opponents
trained harder for him than he did for them, saying that such strenuous activity
would have killed him. Perhaps if he stayed in reasonable shape all the time,
and didn't let sparring partners kill him in the gym, he'd have kept his skills
longer, and looked better in many of his fights.|
|9/23/03 03:43:02 PM|Forest Ward|South Carolina||joekevin@cs.com||||10|RS, as
odd as you think it may sound I can understand your feeling regarding Ali doing
better against Frazier, than Clay would have done against Frazier. Logic would
have one believe, that although Clay was faster and obviously more active than
Ali, Clay would do better avoiding Joe's pressure and left hook. But, I am
thinking to myself Clay did not punch as hard as Ali, and was not as strong as
Ali. And as a result Clay may not have been able to tough it out against Joe as
Ali did. Clay did not have to worry about stamina and being hit when he fought.
He set the pace and all of his opponents were older than him, an slower.
Frazier, was very fast, especially moving forward, and he threw punches in
bunches. Clay never feared burning himself out. Against Frazier burning himself
out may have been a possibility. Where as Ali was aware of his limmitations, and
as a result would pace himself and fight in spurts. And to mention once again,
Ali was stronger than Clay and punched harder, and as a result he could keep
Frazier off him. This is all conjecture of course, but your feeling is not as
odd as it sounds|
|9/23/03 05:02:04 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|On the
other hand, Clay might have had enough speed to stay away from Frazier's smoke,
while hitting Joe countless times with punches that wouldn't knock him out, but
would have a devastating cumulative affect. I could see Frazier's eyes swelling
worse than Manilla if Clay landed precision punches from a distance, over and
over. Also, it seems we forget about 2 of Frazier's best victories---
against the great or at least near great Jimmy Ellis. This was Joe at his best,
against a very good opponent. Has anyone seen Shavers against Jimmy Young?
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|9/24/03 12:57:42 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Joe Frazier
verses Ali would have been a great fight at any point in their respective
careers. Frazier just had a style that gave Ali problems. Remember Ali had
trouble with Doug Jones, who had a similar style to Frazier's, during Ali's
first march to the title.I have never seen Shavers' fights with Jimmy
Young but I do know they fought twice. The first time Shavers stopped Young in
the first round and the second one the fight was called a draw. Shavers was a
limited fighter but extremely powerful and anyone he hit was in a lot of danger.
It would seem Young ran the second time around against Shavers after learning
about Shaver's power the hard way the first time.|
|9/24/03 04:03:16 PM|Massimo|Rome||r||||10|Gianfranco Rosi is coming back, at 46
years of age... Another crazy guy...|
|9/24/03 06:27:57 PM|Gerry Schultz|Cleveland,
Ohio||jgschultz11@msn.com||||9|Wow, some swearing and verbal sparring on here
lately. Massimo, Tyson dominated the late 80's, a longer run than Foreman. Tyson
did do some terrible things on the way up, he was the product of his
environment, which explains him but does not excuse him. Boxing is full of
former criminals, and current ones too. Tyson is just one of them. Bowe-Lewis
should have happened early on, a few years after they'd met in the Olympics.
Oddly, Lewis, the winner, couldn't get the big matches then. I saw Mosely-De La
Hoya, Mosely was given the last four rounds by all three judges, they all need
their eyes checked, De La Hoya won at least two of those rounds and had a big
lead entering round 8. Byrd- Oquendo, I gave Byrd two 10-8 rounds, and all the
rounds down the stretch for a one/two point win. Oquendo won at least five
rounds, got away with way too much shoving and clinching for which he should
have been penalized late in the fight. Still, I have no idea how Byrd got a