January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

though somewhat sarcasticlly, for starting the topic again.Smokin Joe
(the poster) is not me as even I am not nutty enough to talk to and answer
myself.Howard, comparing Foreman not fighting other sluggers, and I
don't call Norton a pure slugger, he hit hard but was, like Jerry Quarry and
Smokin Joe himself, a step below Lyle, Foreman, Shavers, Liston, etc. in the
power department. So Foreman only faced one slugger, Lyle.I don't
believe it is important that Foreman didn't face other sluggers as there are
likely other reasons why he didn't face them, just like Frazier. But bringing
it up is relevant because if your argument works for Frazier, then why not for
Foreman too? Using your logic method, then why did Foreman fight Ted
Gullick instead of Mac Foster and why did he fight Scott Ledoux and Joe Roman
instead of Earnie Shavers? It is exactly like saying about Frazier, why did he
fight Terry Daniels instead of Lyle and why did Joe fight Ron Stander instead of
Shavers. Although in Stander's case it makes more sense that Joe would
give him a title shot instead of Shavers as Stander had knocked Shavers
out!!|
|3/17/05 06:55:14 AM|Massimo "the nutty" Cini|Roma||4||||10|I have posted as
Smokin' Joe Frazier, I admit it ! I was Yao, also. Yeah, I'm a bit of a nut, but
I'm harmless ! Ah,ah,ah,ah :-)|
|3/17/05 09:19:25 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Howard, that
your logic is faulty can be seen by pointing out that it isn't fair to compare
anyone's record to Ali's; Frazier, Foreman, or anyone else. That is why he is
in a class by himself in that he did take on all comers and this is one of the
reasons Ali is the greatest.But we can compare Frazier and Foreman's
records and I believe I have shown by doing so that there can be other reasons
both of these fighters didn't fight certain fighters other than because they
were avoiding punchers. The main one being boxing being a business and fighters
at the world class level take fights that are more attrative
monetarily.I am amazed about how people here can't see that I wasn't
putting down Foreman to build up Frazier. I was making an analogy for
argument's sake. I don't use what is known as the either/or fallacy. That just
because something is true doesn't mean something else always has to be
false.I also don't consider that Frazier and Foreman fought twice as the
second fight had Frazier as a washed up shell of himself. I am talking about a
Frazier right around his prime and if he had landed and hurt Foreman first, then
maybe the outcome might have been different or if he had survived early
knockdowns as he did against Bonevena, this too can change a situation.I
have to point out too, that pointing out Frazier got knocked down by some guy
named Bruce in his second professional fight is the height of assurdity. Anyone
can get knocked down at any time but what matters is how he reacted to it. I
assume Joe got up and won as although I never saw the fight, Joe was undefeated
when he fought Foreman for the first time.Another comparison we can make
concerning Frazier and Foreman concerns something that Foreman says he regrets
to this day and that is he says he could have gotten up after his knockdown
verses Ali. He says he should have died in that ring before admitting defeat
and Frazier would have willingly lost his life. That is one thing no one can
deny, Frazier's bravery and I am not questioning Foreman's bravery as I am just
repeating what Foreman said.I also still say that the image of Frazier
going down six times is what sticks in people's minds- that the first Foreman
fight should have been stopped much sooner and if Joe had been decked two or
three times, and if the fight was properly stopped, then it would have been an
impressive win for Foreman but the image of a helpless Frazier would not be in
people's mind. Again, they would say he just got caught and knocked out as that
is what happened.|
|3/17/05 02:14:23 PM|Howard
C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|KentI apologize in advance for
being rude, but this must be said: You are like a broken record playing the same