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when there came time for a gut check he bailed. To me he has always been a
serious contender and as long as he continues to fight he will be. There are
very few heavyweights who have the kind of power and speed he has. There are
very few past champions who prime vs. prime could stand up to him. There is no
doubt in my mind when Tyson returns; in a re-match with Danny Williams he will
KO him. And you are right about the knee. You can fight with one hand but not
one leg. If he can get the right situation he can be champion again. But when
he faces someone who gets him in trouble….watch what happens. Thats my point.
Joe, again excellent fights. I remember the Lyle-Shavers fight, and I
don’t know how Lyle survived. Another great Shavers fight was the second bout
against Larry Holmes. How did Larry get up, and survive that? Maybe he has
something Tyson doesn’t. Tyson bashing? There is a lot of Ali
bashing going on as well. Ali was the greatest heavyweight champion of all
time(so far). Look at his record vs. any past champion. There is no
comparison. No one fought and beat the caliber of fighters Ali did for as long
as he did. Between the first and second Frazier fights he was undefeated, in
what, 9 bouts all against top or near top contenders, Frazier fought three times
and lost once .Some of Ali’s later bouts, as Kent pointed out were
controversial. Young, I’ve said before that Young came in to survive against
Ali not beat him. That’s why he lost the fight, he deserved to lose. Frazier 2
I think Ali won that one, maybe not as one sided as the judges had it but he
won. The Norton fights, a case could be made for Norton 2 & 3. I’ll go along
with the judging in the second fight but Norton won the third, pretty much the
way Kent said 8-6-1 or 8-7. Kind of like the Leonard-Hagler fight, it’s all
what the judges want to see. Of Ali’s holding, cuffing, thumbing someone even
mentioned head butting, I never saw Ali try to head butt anyone. Every fighter
has his bag of tricks and dirty tricks. Holyfield is a notorious head-butter,
Marciano and Tyson have their elbows and forearms and heads. Frazier had his
low hooks to the side and shoulders. Liston and Lewis held and hit. The list
goes on and on. Ali held behind the head his whole career, it’s just something
he did. It’s nothing new in boxing. |
|8/5/04 03:54:27 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Bob---good
points. And Larry Holmes (all time top 5 Heavyweight Champ) reportedly had the
worlds strongest thumbs. I asked why Leroy Jones never fought after losing to
Holmes (Jones entered the fight undefeated) and someone said Holmes' thumb did a
number on Jones' vision. I agree with the assessment of Ali as the best ever,
in terms of who he fought and how long he was on top. Let's not forget---he was
inactive during a time when he should have been at his athletic peak---his three
best years as a fighter. God only knows what he could have accomplished without
the layoff. I believe he would have taken Frazier without the layoff---a
unanimous and not so close decision. But who really knows? Frazier was
certainly driven.Also, to respond to a previous post, I thought Shavers-
Holmes I. was a decent fight---Larry Holmes boxed beautifully and gave a clinic
on how to neutralize the most dangerous power puncher at that time, Shavers.
Shavers finally caught up with him in that second fight, but yes, Holmes did
climb up off the canvas to defend his title, something Iron Mike couldn't
accomplish. |
|8/5/04 06:07:32 PM|Mike|Philly||yammagamma300||||10|Fran - I agree with you on
Ali, he had so many people in his pocket getting paid, if that was any other
fighter his career would have been over alot sooner.He was a great fighter but
should have retired after JF 3rd fight|
|8/5/04 06:54:33 PM|Joe Krause|Chicago||same||||10|Other great fights. Some are
a little less known, but still offer great action.Patterson vs Chuvalo-
Barn BurnerShavers vs Roy Williams- Most incredible round I have ever
seen is round 10 of this fight!!Frazier vs Bonavena I- Great spirited
match. Wish their second fight was available in full.Quarry vs
Patterson I and II- Both very interesting fights. I like I