January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

talk about the past when the present smells like ****.|
|9/7/05 11:55:33 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|Size means nothing
when there is no skill. Archie Moore easily handled Nino Valdez who was about
6'5" and 245 pounds of solid muscle. Louis destroyed Abe Simon and Buddy Baer.
Even though today's heavies are bigger than Foreman in his prime, not one can
come close to his hitting power as seen in the Frazier or Norton fights. |
|9/7/05 12:46:03 PM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|KENT: Regarding
comparing Louis to Foley. We should note that not only was Louis a much harder
hitter, he also had much faster hands and the ability to finish off an opponent
that Foley lacked. Louis was funny in he fact that he had somewhat slow feet
but very fast hands. |
|9/7/05 01:40:51 PM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|I have some doubts on (or about) Joe
Louis, yes, he was a great champion but he was far from being unbeatable. Billy
Conn and little known Tommy Farr gave him very tough fights. Jersey Joe Walcott
clearly had his numbers and knocked him down 3 times in 2 fights. Max Schmeling
beat him fair and square the first time. Yeah, he was the perfect fighting
machine, he was powerful and had huge skills, but he could be put in big trouble
and his chin wasn't chuvalian. I think he was vulnerable to big punchers.
Anyway, he was a great champion.|
|9/7/05 04:38:32 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|Pete Some other lightheavy
champs worthy of contemplation: Thomas Hearns - 2 times champion who
beat Andries for WBC title in 1987 and also beat Virgil Hill in 1991 for WBA
title.Virgil Hill - had 17 successful title defenses and unified the WBA
and IBF titles in 1996.Michael Moorer - won WBO title and had 9 winning
defenses before relinquishing it to fight as a heavyweight.Apart from
Hearns, there were other lower weight guys who briefly but successfully visited
the division....Sugar Ray Leonard to win WBC title from Lalonde in 1988, and Roy
Jones junior, of course.My best is Archie Moore. Trivia: who was the
first lightheavyweight champion to take the jump and actually win a world
heavyweight title ?|
|9/7/05 04:53:26 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|EdInstead of taking fighters
of past eras and injecting them into the present and wondering how they would
go, perhaps it's more insightful to take current day fighters and injecting them
into the past.Past fighters fought often and usually with little notice
and short preparations. Fights were less likely to be stopped on cuts. There
were more fixes, too. The fights were longer, often much longer. Could
Lewis go 25 rounds with James J. Jeffries or Jack Johnson ? Could he perform all
15 rounds against Ali, Frazier and Foreman ? Those three extra (championship)
rounds - 9 minutes - is a long, long time with Foreman and Frazier are throwing
bombs. It gives the mentally timid an extra excuse to
quit.Alternatively, let's take Johnson and Jeffries and tell them to
pack the 25 plus rounds endurance into 12 rounds. They'd fight much harder. Have
more energy. Same with Ali and Frazier over 12 rounds, instead of 15
rounds.Today's fighter are trained for 12 rounds and less, not 15 to 25
rounds. Old time fighters tended to be tougher mentally than today's, too.|
|9/7/05 06:22:18 PM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||Kentallent@aol.com||||10|Noam, Michael
Spinks was the first light heavyweight champion to jump up to the heavyweight
division and win the title.Way back at the turn of the 20th century, Bob
Fitzsimmons dropped down to the light heavyweight division and won that title
but he had held the heavyweight title first.Technically Fitz was a light
heavyweight when he won the heavyweight title as he weighed less than the light
heavyweight limit when he defeated James J. Corbett, 195 pounds, for the title
but he hadn't at that point won the light heavyweight title yet.|
|9/7/05 06:40:56 PM|Pete|Cleveland||N/A||||10|Noam, you made some good points.
The old vs. the new so to speak regarding the length of fights.I have
difficulty granting validity to some of these modern champs, for instance Virgil
Hill. I remember hearing Bob Foster talk about modern fighters at he boxing Hall