January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

I don't agree with him, Ali' looked pretty good, but was not dominating in that
fight. I think his most impressive fight remains the Cleveland Williams fight,
regardless of Cleveland's conditions. |
|9/26/05 05:20:06 AM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Interesting that just before the Zora
Folley fight, Ali' said in an intervew:" I'll ritire tonight and I'll never come
back".|
|9/26/05 11:48:56 AM|Pete|Cleveland||N/A||||10|Is this true? Noam, claims the
Foreman quit against Ali? I thought Foreman got counted out. Did I miss
something over the years. Is this a common belief that Foreman quit against
Ali?|
|9/26/05 12:53:57 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Pete:
"Quit" could mean a lot of different things. If you ask me, Michael Spinks
"quit" against Mike Tyson in the first minute. Duran literally quit against
Leonard, by withdrawing from the fight and deciding not to continue. Did Tyson
"quit" against Holyfield by biting his ears and forcing a disqualification?
Maybe. Did Frazier "quit" against Foreman? No way. I'm one of the guys who
has taken Frazier to task for not fighting certain opponents, but I'll never say
that Frazier quit against anybody. Quit was not in Frazier's vocabulary. He
would have come out for the 15th round in Manilla, unable to see Ali. He would
have fought blind in that round if his trainers let him. Against Foreman, he
would have continued to get up after each knockdown until he simply couldn't.
Did Shavers quit against Quarry? No, even though Norton accused Shavers of
quitting against Jerry, in my opinion, he was simply unable to continue.
Conversly, Norton quit against Shavers in my opinion. He started getting hit in
the opening moments of the first round and decided to pack it in rather than go
through an evening gut check. Norton showed a lot of heart against Ali and
Holmes, both tacticians who weren't known for a big punch, but Norton showed
very little heart against guys like Foreman, Shavers and Cooney, who could land
hard and often. As for Foreman vs. Ali, I don't think Foreman quit---and I
don't think he was squarely knocked out. I think he was exhausted. |
|9/26/05 01:25:06 PM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|My impression is that Foreman was
counted too quickly(or too fast) in Kinshasa. Very honestly, I don't think the
count lasted 10 seconds...It was kind of 1,2,3,10. Anyway, George was already a
beaten man. That one was Ali's greatest performance. |
|9/26/05 02:54:53 PM|Pete|Cleveland||N/A||||10|Angelo, and Massimo that was my
impression also, Foreman was counted out. When Noam said that Foreman quit
against Ali I thought I missed something. I cannot imagine comparing Duran and
Tyson's defeats to Foreman's loss. Foreman did not quit or get disqualified.
Foreman was counted out. |
|9/26/05 03:52:34 PM|Fan|Fandom||Fan@Fandom.com||||10|Foreman quit against Ali?
Oh, I never knew that.|
|9/26/05 07:29:31 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|Pete - what I wrote was that in my
opinion (I can give my opinion, can't I ?) Foreman was dispirited and fatigued.
I believe that he could have beaten the count, had he wanted to. Foreman
himself says that he could have beaten the count but had wrongly interpreted
what the count was and in error rose late.Fan, how are you going with
your expose ? I can't wait !Anyway, Pete, who are your favourite
lightweights ? |
|9/26/05 10:38:05 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|Angelo - you described the situation
aptly and fairly, especially regarding Foreman. He was exhausted rather than
hurt. The punches Ali hit him with wouldn't have knocked him down earlier in
that fight.Regards Duran, there were certainly more highlights than that
one low point. Duran won four world titles, with each title taken from an
outstanding champion. He won the lightweight title at age 21 from Ken Buchanan.
Roberto defended it 13 times against the very best. The number of title defenses
equaled the record for that division.Duran moved up TWO divisions to
beat Ray Leonard for the welterweight title. He then moved up to light-