January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

have changed and he has matured as a human being and he values peace and
equality to all. He was a representative of 'his people' when, I guess in 60's
america there weren't too many people standing up for the African Americans.He
almost made himself a deliberate target I guess for the angry racists and in
that way promoted himself amongst his own 'people'. Ali did have a few off
nights or lazy nights but who didn't? Evren|
|8/1/04 11:05:24 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Ernie, as I
noted in a recent post, the regulars here said, almost to a man that Jerry
Quarry would have not beaten Sonny Liston, prime verses prime. You say that we
think Jerry could beat any heavyweight who ever lived, given certain
circumstances. You find Jerry's biggest fans at this site and not one of us has
ever said that Jerry could ever hope to beat anyone who ever lived. Jerry was
ranked number 27 all time by a Ring Magazine article from 1998 and that is a
fair ranking. That means 26 heavyweights could have likely defeated Jerry and
that is about right that on the other hand, Jerry could have beaten the
countless thousands others who laced on gloves other than the 26 ahead of him on
the list. I used the Liston example as showing we are not totally
biased towards are assesment of Jerry's skills and this point is shown by only
one poster saying that Jerry could have beaten Liston, which I don't agree
with.Regarding Ali, while it is true Ali was shown favortism in judging
later in his career, he still was a great fighter during this time as he went
head to head with the greatest crop of fighters the division has ever seen and
most of the time he legitimately came out on top. He was an amazing fighter
throughout his career.It is interesting how one poster can come out and
say we are a bunch of Ali lovers, I think this statement is attributed to R.S.,
who pops in here every once in a while and stirs up trouble than disappears
again, while someone else says we are against Ali. We must be doing something
right if both extremes of opinion claim we are on the other side.|
|8/1/04 12:24:20 PM|Fran|Philly||plc7755@aol.com||||10|Speak for yourself Kent
there are a few of us that think Jerry could have beaten Liston.|
|8/1/04 12:44:45 PM|Ernie Laxalt|Reno, NV||elax66@aol.com||||10|Let's look at
Fran's comments as examples of gross misunderstanding and not having certain
information. I'll comment in CAPS. Here we go: "Ali had 2 careers this
is true and it is not the fault of the fan to remember both. SURE IT IS, FRAN,
IF YOU WANT TO TALK REASONABLY AND KNOWLEDGABLY ABOUT A MAN AS A FIGHTER. Ali of
the 60's was a heavyweight with a lightweights reflexes and timing, The Ali of
the 70's was a shell of the 60's version but he pulled in big bucks and his show
was a circus built on the hype. FRAN, THIS SHELL BEAT QUARRY TWICE AND FOUGHT
FRAZIER, NOT DOING TOO BADLY. He pulled in big money. He got away with holding,
bad decisions, and boring fights -- NOT EVERY TIME, SON. EVERYONE USES TRICKS
LIKE HOLDING, BUTTING, CUFFING OR WHAT HAVE YOU. WE EXPLAINED WHY CHAMPIONS GET
THE EDGE IN JUDGING. that they would have to invent new rules about like "you
have to knock out the champ to take the title". THAT'S NOT A NEW IDEA, AND NEVER
WAS A RULE. THAT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE BOXING BEGAN. They milked Ali for the money
he pulled down at the risk of him taking to much punishment in fights he should
not have been in. FRAN, THAT IS THE TRAGIC STORY OF ALL BOXING, MORE OR LESS.
LOOK AT JERRY. LOOK AT JOE LOUIS OR ARCHIE MOORE. LOOK AT ALEJANDRO LAVORANTE.
Thats how it was. The second career was all about cashing in on the first.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? YOU DON'T LIKE CASHING IN? WE FOUGHT JERRY TWICE,
FRAZIER, FOREMAN, ETC. Just the fact that he could span 2 eras like he did made
him great but if you look at him against Jimmy Young or Chuck Wepner or Lyle or
Leon do you see a great fighter???? YES, A GREAT FIGHTER GETTING OLD. MIKE TYSON
WAS KNOCKED OUT THE OTHER NIGHT BUT HE'S STILL A GREAT FIGHTER. |
|8/1/04 12:49:16 PM|Ernie Laxalt|Reno, NV||elax66@aol.com||||10|Fair enough,
Kent. I exaggerated and you called me on it. My impression is still that many of
you believe Jerry could have beat anyone. True, anything is possible, but that's
not likely. My impression is that many of you bend over backwards to develop