January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

|6/13/05 01:45:15 PM|Massimo |Roma||4||||10|I have just listened to (on the
Internet) "Night train" written (or just sang, I don't know) by a guy named
Oscar Peterson (Sonny Liston's favorite song). It's a nice music, not bad at
all, very suitable (dictionary, it means "adatta") for training. If I was a
boxer, maybe I would train with "Night Train", just like Sonny used to do. I'd
like to see more Sonny Liston's fights on TV. He was a great champion, but the
only fights they show are those with Clay (no Muhammad Ali', Clay was his slave
name and he is no longer a slave) and with Patterson. |
|6/13/05 03:46:52 PM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Angelo, in
the Pinklon Thomas fight, the first Frank Bruno fight, and the Tony Tucker
fight, Tyson showed that he could at least overcome some adversity and still win
and while none of these fighters are all time greats, they were legitimate world
class fighters in any era, good opponents, capable of beating, on their best
nights, an all time great. The Michael Spinks fight was also an impressive win
because Tyson defeated a fighter who had beaten long time champion Larry
Holmes.Tyson had a period where he could be considered for great status,
no matter that the period didn't last long. I rate him about the top 20 of all
time, no less than number 25.|
|6/13/05 04:14:32 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Kent, no,
Frank Bruno was NOT capable of beating an all-time great on a good night.
That's ridiculous. Somehow, on his best night, I couldn't see Bruno finding a
way to beat, for example, George Foreman, Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Larry Holmes-
--fill in the blanks. Frank Bruno? Pinklon Thomas and Tony Tucker? Names
Kent, you're listing names. They were contenders of their era, pretty good
fighters. I'll agree with you that Tucker made Tyson work for the win. But I
don't think he made Tyson "overcome adversity." Horace Robinson made Gerry
Cooney work for a win. That's what trial horses do. Joe Frazier made Muhammad
Ali overcome adversity in Manilla. There's a gigantic difference. But your
assessment of Tyson being Top 20, no lower than 25 isn't far off the mark. 20
year old Mike Tyson was an intimidator with power, speed, focus and most
importantly, an abundance of confidence. Tyson was also smarter than people
give him credit for---he knows boxing history, knows the heavyweights in
particular. He wanted a place in boxing history books and he got it, though not
the way he probably envisioned it 15 years ago. On any given night, Tyson
could get someone good in trouble and finish them off with a furious exchange of
punishment---he had leverage on his punches that spelled lights out for a lot of
opponents. But when tested, really tested, he didn't have the extra intangible
needed to elevate himself over the rest. Kent, Tyson could, on any given night,
beat all except 5-10 heavyweights ever. But based on performance, consistency,
record, etc., I'd put him no higher than 15 and maybe lower. He could probably
beat someone like Frazier, but I'd hesitate to rank him higher than Frazier on
an all-time list. |
|6/13/05 04:36:46 PM|Steve|na||na||||10|Kent,I respectfully disagree with you on
your opinion of the top eighties fighters that were fed to Tyson during his
heyday.They would not have been considered world class contenders in the
seventies.Pinklon Thomas,Tony Tucker,Frank Bruno,Razer Ruddick,and
,c,mon,Michael Spinks?Do you really think any of these guys ,especialy Michael
Spinks,could whip Frazier,Norton,Quarry,Foreman? As for fighting through
adversity in Tyson,s fights,isn't that what he's supposed to do?Unless the
fights where mismatches. |
|6/13/05 04:58:01 PM|Steve|na||na||||10|Kent,Angelo beat me to the post with the
exact same opinion.I still think Quarry,Frazier,and Foreman would have had a
better than even chance of beating Tyson at his best.Please don't say that
Quarry caught Lyle or Shavers as they where coming up.The fact that they did so
well after lossing to Quarry,only reinforces my high opinion of Quarry.|
|6/13/05 07:02:31 PM|Kent|murrieta, ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Your guys'
points are well taken. Maybe Bruno, Thomas, and Tucker couldn't beat all time