January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

wore himself out trying to break out of clinches. And if it had gone 15 rounds
and Ali lost on points then the crowd would also have rioted. The stupidist
thing Foreman ever did was fight Ali in Zaire. He should have known that Ali
would manipulate the situation and Foreman was in an environment where he could
never win. And the cut that caused the delay hurt Foreman's prospects more than
Ali's. I don't think that the fight was fixed. But I think that every possible
factor was manipulated in Ali's favour. The ropes were loose, Ali was given more
time to get fit, the crowd was decidedly against Foreman, Ali was allowed to
hold on, and Foreman must have known that unless he knocked Ali out, he'd never
get a decision because the crowd would go crazy. So in blinding heat he punched
himself out and in hindsight that was always going to happen. Had that fight
been in a different place, then Foreman most probably wins. Also, Angelo Dundee
must be given a lot of credit for the way he manipulated Ali's career. He saved
Ali against Henry Cooper (thumbing the cut glove open)and he was most likely
responsible for the loose ropes in Zaire. |
|11/13/03 04:43:33 PM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|I would say that
surprisingly enough, it was Jimmy Ellis who handled Bonavena easier than anyone
and that includes Ali and Frazier. Ellis even scored two knockdowns. Even Lyle
said that Oscar was really tough and Lyle was not the kinda guy who threw
compliments out. Maybe Oscar just had an off night when he fought Ellis.|
|11/13/03 06:18:12 PM|Evren|London||@||||10|Let's not get the old Henry Cooper
glove myth out again - the interval was measured at around 1 minute 4 seconds
(in the region of). That's another 'why I lost' excuse by a boxer. I have a
question for you all : - Has a boxer ever lost because his opponent was better?
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|11/13/03 06:36:09 PM|Massimo|Rome||4||||10|Evren-This happened at least
once when Sharkey lost against Carnera !Is it true that Earnie Shavers
knocked down Ali' ? Or was it a slip ?And in Frazier-Ali' 1, at the
beginning of round 11, Frazier knocked down Ali' . Was it considerated a slip ?
Was it right ? When I watch the replay I can see Frazier hitting Ali', at least
partially !|
|11/13/03 06:52:30
PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Massimo -
There's no doubt in my mind that Frazier tagged and decked Ali in the
11th. In slow motion, you can see the punch land, then Ali goes down to a knee
after a slight delay. Because of the second or two interval, and the fact that
water was there, they called it a slip. Dr. Ferdie Pacheco (and Joe of course!)
also thinks Ali was hit and went down a second later.|
|11/13/03 07:06:51 PM|Evren|London||@||||10|Slip !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1|
|11/13/03 08:14:49 PM|Paul|Sydney, Australia||PlMls4@aol.com||||10|I think I am
becoming a victim of American slang just like Massimo. RS - I think that IMO
means 'in my opinion', but what is 'RL'? Thanks. |
|11/13/03 08:18:04 PM|kookoo|ny||kookooclock000@yahoo.com||||10|IT WAS A SLIP,
REMEMBER WHAT THE CLOCKSTER SAYS, FRAZIER WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE A OVERRATED
PUNCHER, THE KNOCKDOWN OF ALI WAS IN THE 15TH RD, SAME PUNCH EARLIER WOULD NOT
HAVE DONE ANYTHING. KOO KOO|
|11/13/03 10:46:21 PM|Pete|Cleveland, Ohio||pco@hotmail.com||||10|Jerry Quarry,
one of the great heavyweights from the "GOLDEN ERA" of heavyweight boxing. He
always put up a great fight and had a whole lot of heart. Ron Lyle was another,
as was George Chuvalo. Earnie Shavers didn't floor Ali, but rocked him bigtime
when they met. He did, however, floor Larry Holmes and it was quite an
accomplishment when Larry got up from that knockdown. Ali stayed on too long, as
many great fighters do...He should have retired permanently when he took the
title back from Leon Spinks. Which brings me to Mike Tyson. In his prime, he had
it all; speed, strength, knockout power...he was a great entertainer; he was, in
his prime, unbeatable. The 5 greatest modern Heavyweight Champions - 1. Ali, 2.
Joe Louis, 3. Rocky Marciano, 4. Joe Frazier, 5. Mike TysonThe 5 greatest