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would have to hit George hard early in the fight to gain George's respect. Joe,
although he did land one left hook early the fight number one, never really
connected good on Foreman. Both Ali and Ron Lyle hurt George and let him know
he was in for a tough fight early in their fights with George. Yes George fought
back hard in both of these fights but he knew he could be in danger himself and
that did a lot towards Ali's victory and Lyle's near victory. If Frazier had
hit Foreman with the kind of left hooks he hit Ali in the first Ali/Frazier
fight or the hooks he hit Jerry and Jimmy Ellis in those fights, the fight with
Foreman could have turned out differently or at least not as one sided. It
could have very well been a two sided brawl with the winner hard to determine.
After all, Lyle was a big hitter but was he really that much more of a slugger
than Joe was at his best? If Lyle could hurt Foreman, than why not Joe? I don't
think anyone can deny the fact that Joe hit very hard. |
|9/9/03 05:10:04 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Kent's post
made me stop to think about Foreman-Frazier in a different way. I'm one of
the people that has said Foreman would beat Frazier 10 out of 10 times, and I
based it on the total destruction of Frazier the first fight, and relative ease
of Foreman's win in the return match. But as Kent pointed out, Frazier wasn't
the same fighter by the time they met for the second time as his punches weren't
as lethal and he was older. While Foreman pummled Joe in the first fight, it
doesn't mean that he could accomplish it time after time. I still believe that
styles make fights, and Foreman had Frazier's number, but after rethinking it, I
think Frazier was a great champion who would find a way to beat Foreman if the
circumstances were right. As I recall, in the second fight, Joe put together
one or two decent rounds, winning one of the rounds clearly. If he could have
survived into the middle rounds (7,8,9) of a 15 round title bout in '72, he
would have better stamina than Foreman and maybe stole the fight. I have to say
though, in the first fight, whatever offense Frazier tried to generate was
shaken off very easily by Foreman, who just kept blasting away. Foreman almost
seemed annoyed that Frazier would dare think he could land punches against Big
George. |
|9/9/03 06:28:02 PM|Steve|N.J.||dmmsrm@comcast.net||||10|Kent,I don't remember
where or when I got the idea that Mike and Bobby where having boxing related
problems.I know I read somewhere,or was told,that Mike had some balence and
memory problems.I also think I read that Bobby was suffering from Parkinson's
Desease.I know you are in contact with both brothers,so I'll take your post as
the definitive answer to that ouestion.In this instance,I'm very happy to be
misinformed!Maybe I should check my sources more carefully before I run off at
the mouth on this site!|
|9/9/03 07:13:00
PM|Steve|Oaklyn,N.J.||dmmsrm@comcast.net||||10|Rhoadscholarette,I wish you had
picked a shorter,less intimidating name!You know,like Judy or Kathy.I don't
type very well, and your name is alot of work for me to type.If you really are a
Roades scholar,then you already have me intimidated.Lets you and I have a
discussion on women's boxing.My reasons for not liking women's boxing are
probably rooted in my age,I'm fifty five.{although I could easely pass for fifty
two}.My generation was raised to respect woman and treat them as less than
equal!!That's right!!Open doors,seat you in a resturant,pay for dinner,do not
curse in front of you.I flinch every time I see that pretty girl whe posed in
playboy get punched in the face or chest.She has no basic boxing skills and will
wind up getting hurt.Christy Martin whom I assume is one of the very best,throws
punches like a brawling,drunken,sailior.I just don't think women can perform at
the same skill or intensity level and produce dramatic,exciting fights like the
Ali-Frazier,or Leanord-Hearns fights.I'm sorry,R.S.,I know I come off like a
male chauvanist pig.Believe me,I really do respect women.I respect them too much
to watch them pound each other into jelly in the ring.|
|9/9/03 07:55:13 PM|Steve|N.J.||dmmsrm@comcast.net||||10|Ali and Frazier were