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when the reality is Joe got caught and badly hurt early in the fight and he
never recovered and if the fight would have been stopped, as it should have
been, after the second or third knockdown, then that image of him being
completely destoyed would be lessoned in people's minds and they would say, "Joe
got caught early," cause that is what happened.|
|2/25/05 09:25:01 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Steve:
Since you asked, my final point, and really my only point is that Frazier did
not fight the highest caliber, best available opponents during his career and
also did not fight often enough to be considered a top 10 all time champion.
That's it. The discussion has gone round and round due to the enormous amount
of explanations and excuses offered as to why Joe didn't fight these highest
caliber/dangerous opponents and didn't fight often enough. Everything from
"timing wasn't there" to "didn't need to fight him" to "entitled to fight
Stander instead of _____."Frazier fans normally always bring it back to
knocking down Ali and winning their first fight, and this is why the knee-jerk
reaction here is to then point to the fact that Ali fought and defended his
title against the long line of power punchers and other dangerous opponents that
Frazier skipped over while both were active. You get to be "all time great"
by doing it longer and better than everyone else. Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali,
Larry Holmes---held the title a long time and took on everyone challenged
them.Marciano---49 fights and retired undefeated.Foreman: Two careers,
champions in both.Frazier: Lots of mystery about what "might have happened
if he fought _______." Why? Because he DIDN'T fight ________. Title reign
umimpressive because his 70's defenses were against lackluster opponents save
for Ali. |
|2/25/05 10:27:26 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|That said,
he's right outside the top 10 in my book, which is pretty awesome considering
how many professional heavywieght boxers have come and gone---thousands---and
whatever negative things I've said about Frazier's career, for me, he's around #
10 out of thousands of fighters. So I balance my skepticism about his
management and his choice of opponents by admitting that he was pretty damn
good.|
|2/25/05 10:40:29 AM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Tonight in Italy on ESPN Classic
there will be a special of about half an hour on Joe Frazier "Joe Frazier, the
legends of sports". I invite all of you 280 millions of Americans in "my" home
tonight. My home is very close to Ponte Delle Valli, in Quartiere Montesacro.
It's also about 10 miles far from Colosseo. |
|2/25/05 11:39:22 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Massimo:
I'll bring the pizza if you supply the red wine! Kent: What toppings do you
want---it's Friday during lent so I can't have meat!We'll eat pizza and
raise a toast to Frazier! |
|2/25/05 11:51:38 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Angelo, it
looks like a cease fire on the Frazier issue is in order and a pizza party is a
great idea. Not sure what toppings I want though.I think both camps on
the Frazier issue are still pretty entrenched and they are not likely to budge
anytime soon. So just admit you are wrong and we will all be happy! HA! HA!
HA! YUCK YUCK YUCK.|
|2/25/05 11:55:19 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|I'll admit
to being wrong if I implied that Frazier isn't worthy of the title Champion
cause that he is!|
|2/25/05 12:15:05 PM|Steve|N.J.||dmmsrm@comcast.net.||||10|Angelo,I guess you've
won this debate.I always thought of Frazier as one of the top five.After
listening to your arguments for the last two weeks,I'm happy just to hear you
acknowledge Frazier as one of the top 15 heavyweights.You know,it's funny,I
guess it's because I grew up in the Philly,Jersey area,but Frazier caused a
whole lot of excitement around here in the late sixties and early
seventies.Maybe because of that,I might have over estimated his place in the