January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

lost again, back then. I think the new Foreman believes he was better at 43
than he was at 27. But you know, we're talking about guys who Ali "should have
fought again" including Norton, who he beat twice in three matches. It's a big
reach to say Ali ducked anyone. Conversely, speaking of Fraizer, we talk about
fights that never happened, not once, not ever, against Lyle, Shavers, Liston,
Norton, Young---the list goes on---and we talk about how Frazier gave rematches
to people he knocked out (like the used-up Jimmy Ellis of 1974, who rode a
losing streak in to face Frazier). |
|2/24/05 11:53:58 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|And come to
think of it, Kent made a facicious comment wondering if we think Frazier ducked
Jose Luis Garcia (since he was known as a puncher). On the surface, it was a
humorous/sarcastic comment that I thought was funny. But the more I think about
it, the more I wonder. I never saw this guy fight and that's why I asked what
his KO over Norton was like. It occurs to me that if Garcia had a big punch,
maybe, just maybe, Frazier's "committee" did in fact to the "discuss and avoid"
shuffle. I know this sounds crazy, but...where are the big punchers, aside from
Foreman, on Joe's record? We know they were out there, but there always seemed
to be some explanation for why fights against these guys never materialized. In
a historic context, I wonder why Frazier and Garcia's paths never crossed? |
|2/24/05 12:04:18 PM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|I do know that
Frazier was offered a fight against Liston early in Joe's career and turned the
offer down. |
|2/24/05 12:50:45 PM|Massimo |Roma||shaq-wilt.com||||10|The only guy Frazier
ever ducked was Lorenzo Zanon and Ali' ducked him too :-)I certainly
don't blame Ali' for not fighting Foreman a second time, Norton a fourth time
andFrazier a seventh time, he was somehow a human being and needed to breath
once in a while. Primo Carnera never ducked anyone. |
|2/24/05 01:35:53 PM|Howard
C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|FanThanks for the heads-up on
just how good Frazier's jaw really was before the first Ali fight. You say that
Jerry Quarry never "budged" Joe in their 1969 fight. Look at the lead-ups Quarry
had:1968 Earls W101968 Ellis L151967
Patterson W121967 Patterson D101967 London W10So,
Fan, thanks for setting us straight that Frazier's jaw was at least as durable
as Earls's, Ellis's, Patterson's, and London's. Wow !JohnJimmy
Young fought Ali in April 1976. In December 1976 Frazier fought exhibitions
against his son, Marvis, and then against Foranicki. Joe would have been better
off fighting Young. Or Lyle. Or Norton. Or Shavers.Ali fought all these
guys; Frazier fought none of them. Yet you critize Ali for not fighting Young a
second time ? I guess that sums up the bone headedness of the Ali haters. |
|2/24/05 01:53:19 PM|Massimo |Roma||4||||10|Just a minute, Patterson went on the
canvas one hundred times against Quarry, while Frazier never went down against
Jerry. And Jimmy Ellis wasn't maybe a great puncher, but he had a very good jaw,
he was never even knocked down before (or until) the first Frazier fight and
went twelve rounds with Ron Lyle.|
|2/24/05 02:13:00 PM|Angelo|Washington, DCf||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Massimo:
Didn't Shavers KO Ellis in one? And didn't Shavers and Frazier---aah---Frazier
and Shavers---ummm, oh, that's right, they never fought eachother. That's it,
Shavers must have been ducking Frazier. I mean, he took on Lyle, Young, Ellis,
Quarry, Holmes twice and Ali, but must have been ducking Joe.|
|2/24/05 02:30:02 PM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|HOWARD C: I don't
hate Ali at all. I have posted on this board that I think he was the greatest of
all time, with Foreman right behind him. My posting regardng Ali ducking no one
was in response to someone's earlier posting who said Ali never ducked anyone.
Although I think Ali really was the greatest, I must respectfully disagree with
the comment about him ducking no one. My own personal opinionis that Young
deserved a rematch. If that makes me a "bonehead" so be it friend.|