January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

|8/17/04 04:16:44 PM|Kent|same||same@||||10|Add on to my last post: I realize
Ron Lyle had a high ranking when Jerry beat him but he fell back in the rankings
and he had to work his way back up, which he did when Frazier was just about
gone from the scene.Joe Frazier realized he only had so many fights left
in him and once Ali had won the title again, Frazier's goal was to get a shot at
Ali and to do that he would have to beat the highest ranked available contender,
which was Jerry.I also agree with Frazier's and Norton's contention that
they wouldn't fight because of their friendship, so Frazier didn't duck Norton
either.|
|8/17/04 04:35:41 PM|JIMMY DORSEY|VENTURA
CALIFORNIA||RONNYRAINS@YAHOO.COM||||10|Ring Magazine whom are usually regarded
as they only real rankings for fighter's mainly because there so unbiased ,and
do not accept kickbacks etc.like when the WBA kicked Joe Frazier to the back of
the bus, due to him not accepting an invitation into there tournament. Ranked
these heavyweights before JQ fought them. 6/9/67 Floyd Patterson #3. 10/28/67
Floyd Patterson #5. 2/3/68 Thad Spencer #2. 4/27/68 Jimmy Ellis #3. 3/24/69
Buster Mathis #6. 6/23/69 Joe Frazier #1. 6/17/70 MacArthur Foster #1. 11/16/71
Jack Bodell #8. 5/9/72 Larry Middleton #7. 6/27/72 Muhammad Ali #1. 2/9/73 Ron
Lyle #3. 12/14/73 Earnie Shavers #6. 6/17/74 Joe Frazier #2. and 3/24/75 Ken
Norton #4. Jerry's 8-5-1 with 4 knockouts vs these guy's. Ali (exiled and-no top
ten rating) and I believe George Chuvalo DEC.69 should also have been included
in this group. take care! |
|8/17/04 05:01:27 PM|Timana|Auckland||kiwi@hotmail.com||||10|KentFrazier
doesn't contend that it was friendship that stopped him fighting Norton. In his
book he says that there was no money to make that fight. I can quote it in full
if you want.Just seems to me that there is a myriad of excuses for the
plethora of contenders that Frazier missed in his era. Friendships, no money,
fighting him won't get me a title fight, and the list goes on and
on.Imagine if Ali had the same attitude. How come Ali fought them all,
but Frazier didn't ? You either want to fight guys or you don't. I never heard
of Ali ducking anyone because he might be a dangerous fight, etc.Another
thing. If Ali was not in forced exile for the three years, what would have
happened if Ali and Frazier fought ? Ali, in my view, would have taken him
easily, and Frazier would then have been just another heavyweight. The (false)
legend of Frazier would never have begun and Ken Norton probably would be
remembered as Ali's arch rival as Frazier is today.All the excuses in
the world can't avoid the big holes in Frazier's resume. Ali never bothered
fooling the public and having meaningless fights like Frazier did against
Daniels and Stander. Before then, Frazier had exhibitions against Williams and
Helwig. Just seems to me that Joe didn't have too much confidence in himself to
beat the next best and then the next best like Ali did.|
|8/17/04 05:19:20 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|What do the
following men have incommon: Jimmy Young, Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers, Ken Norton?
All of them were heavyweight contenders in the early to mid-1970s and Frazier
didn't fight any of them. These guys were active to 1976 and beyond, and maybe
you're right Kent---Frazier knew he didn't have a lot of fights left in him, so
as I said, he took the path of least resistance. It's also likely that after
getting trounced by the power punching Foreman, he avoided the similar sized
Lyle and more powerful Shavers and focused on Ellis, essentially a washed up
version of the newer model Young. |
|8/17/04 06:16:27 PM|Timana|Auckland||kiwi@hotmail.com||||10|KentWhile I
said that the information regarding Frazier not fighting Norton was in Frazier's
book, it was actually in a publication called 'Boxers' published by Warrender
Grant Publications in London. It reads:"Yet although Norton was an exact
contemporary of Frazier's he never fought him. Many said it was because they
were on too good terms with each other to fight. Frazier confirms the friendship
but denies this was the reason. 'Nobody put up good money,' he says. 'So why