January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

|6/23/05 09:27:00 AM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Oscar Bonavena was powerful enough to
hurt Ali' in the ninth round of their fight ( and Cassius wasn't hurt too many
times throughout his career. Probably he wasn't the puncher Ron Lyle was, but
certainly could punch. Well, Joe beat him twice. George Chuvalo was another good
puncher. Also, Frazier stopped in five Doug Jones, a guy who gave Ali' one of
the toughest fights of his career and almost knocked him down in the first
round. But I agree that Frazier never went after the big punchers just to prove
himself throughout (or even during) his career; or maybe this happened only (or
just) once, when he fought Giorgio Foreman the second time. |
|6/23/05 11:42:14 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|...and
Jumbo Cummings? Well, one thing that can't be debated is that Frazier earned
immortality by beating Ali in the first fight---the knockdown being the
exclamation point on his win. And he cemented his immortality in the loss to
Ali in Manilla. One thing it isn't fair to accuse Frazier of is being a
quitter. He gutted it out against Ali and would have answered the bell for the
15th if his corner didn't wisely overrule him. Against Foreman, he would have
continued to climb up off the canvas to get pummeled some more. In this regard,
he was the antithesis of Tyson. Frazier didn't quit and didn't resort to
fouling when things weren't going his way. |
|6/23/05 12:54:01 PM|Forest Ward|NYC||NYC||||10|I was watching tv last night
Frazier-Quarry I. That fight was 36 years ago tonight, I attended that
fightRegarding Tom Hauser's remarks about Joe Frazier, maybe true maybe
not true. That's for the reader to decide. But, Tom Hauser the good writer that
he is, is also Ali's official biographer. Even saying that, Tom Hauser gives
more credit to Joe Frazier talent than any of the Ali sycophants I see on this
board.Fellows, you can write all the nonsense you want about Joe
Frazier. At times even pretending that you are complimenting Frazier when you
are just being condescending toward Frazier. The only people you are convincing
are yourselves. Which really isn't necessary. You guys are anti Joe Frazier
koolaid drinkers to begin with|
|6/23/05 12:58:25 PM|Kent|Murrieta, ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Some of you
guys just love to continue to be critical of Joe Frazier but remember except for
Ron Lyle (I am talking about the prime Foreman in the first phase of his
career), Foreman didn't face pure punchers either and that is fine as fights
are made that are attractive to the fans and to make people money and that is
usually why fights happen. But nobody is critical of Foreman for this. We
don't see the names Mac Foster, Earnie Shavers, Sonny Liston, or Cleveland
Williams (who were both still around when George was coming up) on his record
either.Timing is also a consideration why some fights didn't happen.
Consider Shavers, before 1973 he hadn't faced anyone of note and he was an
unproven commodity, the public was not calling for a Frazier/Shavers fight
because of this. He in fact had a knockout loss to Ron Stander! The guy
Frazier fought who some here said didn't deserve a title shot. It would seem he
deserved to fight Frazier more than Shavers at that time.Shavers had two
important wins in 1973, knockouts over Jimmy Ellis and Jimmy Young but late in
1973 he suffered a first round knockout loss to Jerry Quarry and 1974 was a bad
year for Shavers in which he had a decision loss to the immortal Bob Stallings
and a draw with Young in a rematch and he dropped from the
ratings.Frazier during this time lost his title to Foreman, defeated Joe
Bugner, lost a rematch to Ali, and defeated the victor over Shavers,
Quarry.The only time period where a Shavers match with Frazier might
have been attractive was briefly in 1973 but that didn't last long because of
his loss to Quarry and his bad year in 1974. Frazier for his part was
trying to get a rematch with Ali, which he got in early 1974. So which fight
would he go after? An Ali fight or a Shavers fight? No contest there as anyone
would take the Ali fight.Shavers climbed back up the ratings ladder,
starting in 1975, the year in which Frazier had his one last chance verses Ali.