January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

I would not have put Joe in with a top ten guy until 1967, giving him time to
move up just like anyone else.Some of the 'contenders' listed weren't even
ranked after 1967, and others only briefly based on the annual ranking
shown.See ing the way Joe went thru the guys he did face, how many of those
contenders were lined up to meet Frazier? "Hey Joe, beat the hell out of me
next", they might say?I don't think so.|
|10/24/05 12:11:16 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|But Kent,
Frazier was still active in 1974, 1975, 1976---Lyle and Shavers were more than
just "prospects" by that time. They were highly ranked fighters, going in
against the Foreman's, the Youngs, Ali and eachother. I find it hard to believe
that Earnie Shavers wouldn't have accepted the chance of a lifetime to fight a
former World Champion, Frazier, for more money than all his previous fights
combined, instead of someone like Ron Lyle---dangerous, but without Frazier's
name recognition. When Frazier took on Ellis on Life Support in Austrailla,
that could have easily been one of the other guys I mentioned. Tune-up, tune-
down, whatever, he didn't go head-to-head with the sluggers. After Foreman
dismantled Frazier in five minutes, I truly don't think Ron Lyle would have been
scared off by Frazier's performance against Jerry Quarry---basically beating a
guy he had already beaten previously and had outweighed by a comfortable margin.
I don't believe that for a minute. The history shows that Lyle and Shavers
weren't shy about stepping in with anybody at anytime. This is why I've never
bought your contention that they avoided Frazier and he didn't avoid them. When
the entire top ten is facing off against eachother in one 3-4 year period, but
one guy is missing---I've got to believe it's him avoiding them, not the other
way around. Where was Norton? I'll tell you where he was, ranked high,
fighting Ali, fighting Foreman but not fighting Frazier. Lyle: Fighting Ali,
fighting Foreman but not fighting Frazier. Shavers: Fighting Young, fighting
Lyle, later, fighting Ali, but not fighting Frazier. Young: Fighting Lyle,
fighting Shavers (I believe twice each), later, fighting Foreman, but not
fighting Frazier. They were all afraid of ruining their "prospect" status by
losing to Frazier? Baloney. I look at Joe's competition and number of fights
after 1971 and I realize that his management carefully avoided the landmines and
cement that were in Shavers' and Lyle's gloves. Once again, for the record,
Frazier wasn't afraid of anybody and wouldn't duck anybody either. But maybe
his management had reason to "proceed with caution." |
|10/24/05 03:14:50 PM|Pete|Cleveland||N/A||||10|Ok Howard lets go. But before I
begin are you through with the name calling?I have no problem with #1
Robinson, and Armstrong #2 I have a problem
with #3 Gavilan. Great boxer and exciting fighter. But he got a gift against
Billy Graham in the MSG. So he was not that great of a boxer. He got a gift
against Carmen Basilio in Syracuse. I have the tape of that fight. So he could
not out box Basilio as others had done. Also Gavilan was not much of puncher. I
would not have Gavilan at #3Basilio at #4 is not a bad choice. But I
would not have him above Leonard.Trinidad #5 Maybe, but I would not have
him above Grifith or Leonard.Leonard #6 I wuold have him
higher.Whittaker #7 I would not have him above GriffithGriffith
#8 I would have him right up there with and Leonard and not below Trinidad or
Basilio.#9 Napoles, I would not have him below Trindad and
Whittaker#10 Mickey Walker, well I have not seen enough good quality
films of him to make a judgement.See Howard it is possible to disagree
with someone and not to resort to name calling slandering people as you and Noam
have done in the past. Disagreement's can be cordial|
|10/24/05 03:38:28 PM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Angelo,
consider that Lyle fought Foreman in 1976 and Shavers never fought Foreman at
all.I don't think Lyle would have fought Foreman in 1975, even if George
was available, at least not before his title shot verses Ali for the same reason
he wouldn't have fought Frazier at that time. Why risk his title shot and