January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

about the same size of Chris Bird ! George Foreman isn't 6' 5",he is 6'4" !
When did Tyson fight Bowe ? In a sparring session ? Have a nice time !|
|8/25/03 09:22:20
AM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|To Ed: I don't
think there's any doubt that football, basketball, and baseball have taken a lot
of good athletes who might otherwise have been good fighters. Though fighters
still tend to come from rough backgrounds, even the worst schools have sports
programs. Football is no walk in the park, but takes a back seat to boxing. The
average fighter comes out with fewer overall injuries, but those to his head and
often vital organs are usually worse. Even for kids who'd be in the lighter
divisions, there are sports they can take part in other than boxing, though the
chances of making money in any but soccer are small (and you can't make anything
in that in the US).It used to be said that the inept fighter sustained
the worst damage, but that isn't true. The poor fighter doesn't stick around,
and is typically knocked out early and often if he tries to continue. Good
fighters have longer careers, fight better fighters, and the higher up they go,
the more long fights they have (against other good people). While there's a
range of ability to take a punch in the elite ranks, all of the guys are pretty
durable. The movie Rocky was illustrative of the kind of punishment a palooka
takes. The unrealistic part of the movies was that no one, I don't care it it's
Rocky ~Marciano~ takes that number and severity of punches, and stays up. That's
Hollywood though!Muhammed Ali may have scared a lot of people off. There
are other tragedies out there, as we know, but the public at large is usually
unaware of most of them, other than MA. Of course, kids are all bulletproof in
their minds, and can always look to George Foreman, who shows no signs at all of
ever having been a boxer, and is richer than Ali to boot. |
|8/25/03 02:58:27 PM|Gerry Schultz|Ohio||jgschultz11@msn.com||||9|Some
interesting recent posts. Tubby mentioned the early 60's era, which did have a
very interesting set of heavies, including Eddie Machen, who gave JQ an
important lesson. Floyd got good press as an excellent boxer and courageous
fighter, but was too extended beyond 190lbs to stick, which is why he got
repeatedly flattened by the likes of Ingo, Rademacher, etc. who were real
heavies, so was not great as heavy . Floyd would have been your early 60's CW
Champ, Road'ette. But JQ would have beat him at 190 if they met 1967-68, they
met then as heavies. Liston is considered great from that era, maybe the only
one before Ali, Liston was the Foreman of that period, with size/power
advantages few could even challenge then. In beating Liston, Ali knew how to
beat Foreman years in advance, but it was a greater victory the second time as
Ali was clearly declining, as Ken Norton and others revealed. Few liked the
trash-talking Clay/Ali, but they called him great, on the level with Rocco and
Louis in 1966, if not earlier. He was a revolution as a fighter, unprecedented
speed and movement, was truly tough, made great use of height and reach
especially on his toes. Agree with Tubby, his mental portion was the best part
of his game. But he went too far against Frazier and made Joe the raging slugger
who would clearly beat him. Massimo, Shaq has hundreds of millions of fans
around the world and for good reason. He's a remarkable athlete and basketball's
most dominant player today. Being the best in any era is a remarkable
acheivement. Mac Foster was a size/power guy with a lot of wins, but few name
opponents before Jerry, I beleive. JQ was treated like a trial horse, an
"opponent", for Foster, Shavers and Lyle and he schooled them all! Jerry was
just 196 for Foster, but way ahead in experience and skill. To Kent, Evren etc.,
this does further prove your skill versus muscle arguement. Lennox Lewis is
champ not because he's 6-5 245, but because he can (could?) outbox any heavy
since 1996. Early 90's had nice group of heavies Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield, Lewis,
Morrison, other good top10, top20 guys. Opinions comparing to other periods? Ali
was 6'3" probably 215 in his prime, could outbox any of today's giants easily.
He, Frazier, Foreman are generally considered great, after that it's a matter of