January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

not have ever been presented to either camp back in the early 70's. These two
guys were at different points in their careers and Kent is correct that one was
losing when the other was winning and vice versa. But Shavers is just one
example of a Top Ten fighter who was active during 1970-1976 that Frazier as
Champion, then challenger, then opponent never "touched gloves" with. There are
a whole lot more. They all fought eachother, none fought Frazier. No, I don't
think THEY were avoiding Joe...not after watching Foreman smack him around like
a ping pong ball and Ali decision him in the following year. I don't think guys
like Lyle, Shavers, Young, et all were terrified after watching Frazier handle
Terry Daniels either. Kent, what string of wins did Frazier put together to get
the shot at Ali in Manilla? Are you going to say that by beating Jerry Quarry,
that alone was enough, and once again say that Jimmy Ellis (by 1975, relegated
to hitting about as hard as a minature poodle) was a tune up? In other words,
it's okay in your world for Frazier, as Champion, to be abused by Foreman in
losing the title, then lose to a former champion (Ali)---manage to win a rematch
against a guy he knocked out already, Quarry (granted, he waited for that guy to
knock off power punchers so he wouldn't have to face them), then take a tune-up
against another guy he knocked out years earlier, who is now punchless and 1-4-1
in half a dozen fights---and in your world, that paves the way for a title shot?
Lucky Joe. |
|7/11/05 12:42:55 PM|steve |na||na||||9|Massimo,dark matter,if it' ever actually
proven to exist,isn't doing a very good job so far in slowing expansion,or is
it?I believe the universe is infinite.There is no "other side of the sphere"15
OR 20 billion years !? As far as you and I are concerned,Massimo,that is
infinity.God didn't design or equip us with an intellect that can comprehend
these vast measurements in space and time.I'm giving this site a nine rating
today because I'm just getting tired of this endless Frazier ducking everybody
debate.Kent,Forrest,vs Noam and Angelo,it's gettin real old to me.|
|7/11/05 01:07:44 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Steve: The
Frazier "Quacks Like A Duck" debate has taken on a life of it's own. All of us
are too stubborn to back down and having too much fun to let it go. If all of
us (even Massimo from Italy) had put this much brain power and effort into
solving some contemporary issues, the U.S. would have no deficit and terrorism
would be dead. Instead, we've all decided to focus on a small moment in time
about thirty years ago and with nothing more than instincts to go on, we've
staked a firm position and won't budge. Did Frazier duck Shavers? Did Shavers
duck Frazier? Was Jimmy Ellis alive or running on batteries and remote control?
These are the important questions we refuse to leave alone. But I'd still rate
the site a 10. |
|7/11/05 01:28:56 PM|Fan|Fandom||Fan@Fandom.com||||10|Frazier didn't duck
Shavers. However he could have fought Lyle. Earnie Shavers is looked at a lot
differently today than he was in 1974ish. In 1974 he was called a one-hit
wonder. Lyle on the other hand was a viable contender for Joe to fight.|
|7/11/05 02:28:00 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Fan:
You're correct in that Shavers improved like fine wine. Though he lost the
biggest fights of his career, he made very respectable showings against the
Greatest, Ali (15 rounds), two good, long fights against Larry Holmes, the
slugfest with Lyle too. Was he the only person to KO Jimmy Young? He put
Norton out in one round too. Yes, in '74, he might have been viewed as a one
hit wonder, and even going into the fight with Ali, he was hardly a household
name. But that showing made him a very steady contender through the end of the
70's. But Fan, let's put it in perspective: If Frazier only wanted to take on
legitimate, deserving, proven heavyweights, and that's why Shavers never managed
a fight with him, how did Terry Daniels end up fighting for the title? Why was
1-4-1 Jimmy Ellis flown to Austrailia for "Melbourne's Kangaroo Kourt" in 1975
(after Earnie Shavers flattened him in one round? I have that fight on my
Earnie Shavers VHS tape and it's something to see---Ellis (and Kent) thought