January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

seven gruelling rounds, a war of attrition on the way to a TKO win for
Frazier.Frazier/Quarry 1 was a tough fight for Frazier. In fact, the
first round was listed as one of the twelve top rounds in boxing history by Ring
Magazine.In their second fight, Jerry gave Joe two tough rounds but from
the third round on until the fifth, in which Joe was awarded another TKO win
over Jerry, Joe was in control. Joe's control in their first fight was not so
clear cut. He gained momentum over Jerry as the fight went on but it was more
gradual than in their second fight.|
|9/17/05 11:56:41 PM|Ed|Cicero N Y||Mooseygoop@aol.com||||10|You're right again
Pete. Of course when a fighter retires with championship he sets the necessity
of a tournament. Patterson/Moore was for Marcianos retirement. Before that I
believe it was Schmeling/Sharkey for Tunneys retirement. Before that Marvin
Hart/Tommy Burns for Jefferies withdrawal. Correct me if I am wrong this off
top of my head. Oh yea, don't ask me who took over from Lennex Lewis. I can't
keep track of the modern day champions.|
|9/18/05 04:07:16 AM|Noam|same||same||||10|Pete - had Frazier entered the WBA
tournament as all the others did, he would have had consecutive hard
fights...something like Bonavena, Quarry and then Ellis. Not Doyle, Conners, and
Mathis (the path of least resistance). As I said, prior to fighting
Mathis, he hadn't fought a ranked fighter in his prior seven fights. None of
them were Top 10 guys. Of the 7 other guys selected to fight in the WBA
tournament, Joe had only beaten Bonavena (in a split decision). As it turned out
he was better than those other guys but at that point in his career he hadn't
proved it. The proof is in the pudding when you assess the rankings.
Facts not opinion. Thanks. |
|9/18/05 04:16:24 AM|Noam|same||same||||10|By the way Pete, the winner of the
WBA tournament got $175,000.00, a fortune at that time. He got considerably less
to fight Mathis.Regards stamina, Joe only fought 214 rounds in his
career against Holmes 575, Ali 546, Louis 429, Patterson 420, Quarry 415,
Bonavena 409, Terrell 375, Shavers 364, Ellis 342, Norton 314, Liston 271,
Foreman 255, Marciano 241, Lewis 225, and Douglas 224. Joe only fought 37 times.
Holmes fought 73 times. I'm struggling to find the stamina bit. Thanks. |
|9/18/05 09:46:33 AM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Noam, Frazier
had stamina as that is how he was able to fight so hard verses Ali, Quarry,
Mathis, etc. He was hard to beat when he was at his best as he would be
fighting just as hard in the later rounds as in the early rounds.Of
course he did wear out late in the third Ali fight but that had a lot to do with
the punishment Ali was giving him and Frazier was past his peak at that
time.Someone could say, "well Ali outlasted him and he was past his peak
too." but that just shows how great Ali was, what sets him apart from other
fighters. Both of them showed great stamina in the "The Thrilla in Manila."
What Frazier lacked was longevity. His manangment likely knew this and
that is why he didn't have as many fights as other fighters.They knew
his all out style meant he would probably burn out quickly relatively speaking
over the long run. But to say Joe lacked stamina is inaccurate as stamina and
longevity are not the same thing.|
|9/18/05 04:03:10 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|Hi Kent - on that we must disagree.
Fighters lack longevity when they don't have stamina. Some fighters use up all
their reserves of stamina on a couple of hard fights and have none left, while
others are bubbling over with it. Fighters like Holmes and Quarry.Sorry
to repeat myself, but Joe didn't want to enter the WBA tournament because
winning it would have involved three hard fights against three ranked
contenders. He hadn't fought even one ranked guy in the previous year, so he
instead opted for the unranked Mathis.There's no argument from me that
Joe fought his hardest whilever he was standing in the ring. He had courage in
spades, but not stamina, and you are confusing the two. One hard fight generally
led either to a long period of inactivity or to tune downs against relative