January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

the same rhetorical questions about Frazier facing Lyle and Terrell. How can you
assume anything in boxing Forest ? Lyle could knock anyone out. There are no
sure things. Just ask Tyson about Douglas and Williams. Ask Foreman
about Young. Ask Ali about Spinks. And if Frazier was a risk taker we might well
have been asking him about Young, Norton, Lyle, Shavers, Patterson, Liston, and
the rest of the guys of his era he didn't fight.If Frazier was such a
sure thing against all those guys, then why didn't he fight them ? It would have
been easy money, right ? A no sweat pay day. Money in the bank.Fran asks
why would Frazier waste time fighting Lyle. Why did EVERYONE else waste their
time fighting Lyle, Fran ? Crank yourself up a notch, Fran, and get with the
programme. The truth is that after Ali 1 Frazier, at the ripe old age of
27, was a shot fighter. There is no other interpretation possible when you look
at his career record. |
|8/19/04 05:27:42 PM|Joe Krause|Chicago||sadmspats@yahoo.com||||10|Angelo, I
couldn't disagree with you more. Frazier's list of fighters that he fought is
like a who's who of late 60's contenders. Save Stander and Terry Daniels who
were obvious soft touches after the first Ali fight let's look at the fighters
Joe fought. In his 12th fight he was fighting Oscar Bonavena. Look at Jerry's
record and check who he fought in his 12th fight. Then he fought Doug Jones and
Eddie Machen in the next 2 bouts, both still contenders on the fringe of the top
ten. Eddie was NOT finished, I have the tape of the fight and he was still
willing and able. A couple fights later he beat top contender George Chuvalo.
This was in his first 20 fights! A couple fights later he beats the very
respectable Buster Mathis. Then Bonavena again and then he beat our Jerry. Then
he beats #1 rated Jimmy Ellis and light-heavy king Bob Foster. Then he beats
Ali. Loses to Foreman Beats Quarry again, Ellis again and top 10 Joe Bugner.
Joe Frazier was protected? From whom? Who did he not fight that was a viable
option from 1967-1974? Shavers and Lyle were just emerging at Joe was winding
down. Shavers management wanted no part of Joe, that I can tell you. So Joe
fought Bonavena 2X, Ellis 2X, Ali 3X, Foreman 2X, Quarry 2X, Machen, Jones,
Mathis, Bugner, Chuvalo- That's 16 fights against top 10 or nearly top 10
contenders out of 37 fights. Joe was one of the LEAST protected fighters of
all-time.|
|8/19/04 05:30:44 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|By the way,
Holmes was a former Ali sparring partner and defeated the aging Ali. As for
Jimmy Young being a former Frazier sparring partner---by 1976, he would have
boxed circles around Frazier. Frazier would have been counter punched like
never before, probably for 10 or 12 rounds. Frazier would be moving forward,
bobbing and weaving, while eating leather and having his head snapped back
repeatedly. By the mid-70's, Young had developed into cagy and tricky boxer
with defense and intelligence. Frazier had nothing left for anyone except Ali
(and also for a couple good fighters who he had beaten already in the 60's)
after Foreman dumped him in '72. I honestly could see Young winning a 10 round
fight by about 98-92 (on a 10 point must), in other words, a very clean and easy
win against Frazier. |
|8/19/04 05:34:04 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Joe---how
could you "save for" Daniels and Stander? These were his title defenses for
crying out loud. And he took on Foreman thinking that it would be relatively
easy---a hulking and awkward power puncher who was seen as being amatuerish by
some insiders. No Norton. |
|8/19/04 05:40:53 PM|Joe Krause|Chicago||sadmspats@yahoo.com||||10|Ali fought
Brian London and a 100 year old Cleveland Williams for the title. Frazier was
allowed a couple easy fights after the Ali fight. Holmes fought Scott Frank and
Lucien Rodriguez, get my drift. Frazier NEVER thought Foreman would be easy.
Yank Durham begged Joe not to fight Foreman, but Frazier thought he had to
beacuse he hadn't fought anyone real since Ali and Foreman was #1 contender.
Norton wanted nothing to do with Joe for obvious reasons. He knew it would be a