January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

might be true, the fact is that the guy he says was a nothing - George Foreman -
knocked Joe out twice. Cooper's logic stinks.To describe Foreman in such
demeaning terms, means, to me, that Cooper wasn't trying to argue the facts or
logic about Ali. He was merely looking to put Ali down and when the truth didn't
quite cut it, he resorted to untruths and fallacious arguments.Cooper
talks about some of the bums Ali fought and no one can doubt that there were
more than just a few. However, Ali fitted these bums in between regular fights
against the elite of his era. Ali was one of the busiest heavies of all time and
he ducked no one. Consider Ali's schedule in 1975. After beating Foreman
a few months earlier, he fought Wepner in March 1975, Lyle in May 1975, Bugner
in June 1975. Not a bad effort there. Think about it; Ali fought two ranked guys
within a month when he was past his prime.Cooper's arguments are all
smoke and mirrors and I suspect that he lifted his comments from another site,
perhaps the KKK one. It was good reading, though.|
|11/28/05 10:30:50 AM|Noam|same||same||||10|Angelo, Ali said that he was
embarrassed by the Holmes fight and didn't want to go out that way. He wanted to
go out punching against a credible fighter, rather than having his final fight
ending on a stool in his corner.To quote Ali, he said, "I thought I
should go out of boxing with a win. Or if not a win, at least throwing punches."
After Berbick beat him, Ali said at the press conference, "I came out all right
for an old man. We all lose sometimes. We all grow old."|
|11/28/05 10:34:46 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Noam:
Indeed. Ali's loss to Berbick, a ranked fighter and future Champion, was a bad
way to go out for a legend---but he salvaged some respect I guess. However,
more tragic than the loss would have been a win. God only knows what Ali would
have done next if he managed to beat Berbick. A rematch against Holmes or a
match against John Tate/Mike Weaver? Disaster. |
|11/28/05 10:38:34 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|I'll add--
-if Ali really wanted to, he could have fought for another year or two, against
really low caliber club fighters. The type of guys you take on when you're just
starting out, or the type of guys Foreman started with in his comeback. Ali
could have added another half dozen decision wins to his career and then called
it quits. These would have been like exhibitions. Instead, he took on a
successful Olympian, a contender and future Champion, Trevor Berbick. He picked
on a tougher guy and lost a decision and that's how it all ended. Ali didn't
take the easy way out.|
|11/28/05 03:11:22 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|Some Ali trivia which I'm sure you
all know: Chuvalo said that Ali was better pre-exile; Mac Foster was a former
Ali sparring partner; Ali v Folley in 1967 was the first heavyweight title fight
to be at MSG in 16 years; the first southpaw Ali met as a pro was Mildenberger;
Ali sparred Ingemar Johansson before the Fleeman fight. A trivia
question: who promoted the Ali v Logan fight in 1962 ?|
|11/29/05 03:24:23 AM|Paul|Las Vegas||private||||1|Kent, I have been away from
this site for a while. But every so often I would drop in and say hello and read
the posts. I always enjoyed doing that. I found the posts informing and
interesting.What has happened to this site? I have gone back for a
period of about a year perusing the posts. They are horrible! There is no
civility, little new information regarding boxing history. All I read is the
same 2 or 3 people relentlessly attacking anyone who does not agree with
them.Kent from what I have gathered this board is now dominated by a
select few who behave like demagogues. What happened? I don't see any posts from
the regulars from years ago. Did they go to other sites? Kent in the old days
contributors would post their Email addresses and we would correspond with each
other. This site has become a cesspool. Am I wrong?|
|11/29/05 05:06:03 AM|For Your Info|Markham, Ontario||FYI@yahoo.com||||9|For
Your Information: You guys are wasting your time. All you need to do is scroll
down to my 2 posts and most (if not all) of your rebuttles will be there. I