January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

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|7/13/05 07:51:48 AM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Another good fighter Joe Frazier
didn't fight was Al "Blue"
Lewis!|
|7/13/05 07:58:30 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Noam:
You're correct that the win over Ali came with a price attached---Frazier was
hospitalized (and he was not comfortable talking about that, as if in some way,
he thought it diminished his win) and the fight took some of the fight out of
him. But don't forget, prior to beating Ali, there was some history of "being
careful" by not accepting the challenge that was issued to enter the
Championship Tournament. As for giving Foreman the title shot, I truly think
Joe's camp convinced themselves that Foreman was rough around the edges, easy to
hit, lacked stamina and was given trouble by Piralta--so how could he earn a win
over a world class fighter like Frazier? I think they felt that Frazier could
pressure Foreman, get inside and use quickness to throw Foreman off his game,
pummel Foreman and get a middle round knockout. By the time Foreman's punches
lifted Frazier off the floor for one of the six knockdowns, I'm sure Yank and
Futch were saying something to the effect of "Houston, we've got a problem." By
the way, look up Ron Stander and Terry Daniels on search engines. One of the
articles talks about how Frazier claimed to "have trouble with shorter guys"
which is puzzling to me since after Foreman dispatched of him, all we've heard
is that Frazier has "trouble with taller guys." Which is it then? Does he have
trouble with shorter AND taller guys? Maybe today, Yank would use a computer to
find guys who are exactly Joe's height, but 20 pounds lighter, a little slow,
preferably white, and preferably with a record just over .500. Perfect. |
|7/13/05 09:59:44 AM|Fan|Fandom||Fan@Fandom.com||||10|Joe Frazier was a great
fighter. He didn't fight everybody, but he fought a bunch of good fighters. He
had four losses in his career. They came against Ali and Foreman only. He
would have been a big favorite over Shavers, Lyle, Norton. He would have been a
monumental favorite over Mac Foster. He never fought these guys though. It
does damage his legacy slightly, but in reality the fans that have seen most of
his fights and truly know the scene in the 70's put him in his rightful spot.
That spot is right behind Ali. Nearly on par with Holmes and Foreman. I would
rate Joe slightly behind Foreman and Holmes, but above everyone else between
1965-1980.|
|7/13/05 10:09:02 AM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Noam and
Angelo, why do you think the second Quarry fight was an easy fight that
Frazier's management knew was a sure win? He was taking a big chance and
Frazier was the underdog going in. Their first fight was a gruelling
match, hardly easy, with Frazier winning by wearing Quarry down in a war of
attrition and going into the second fight Joe had lost to Foreman and Ali along
with a win over Bugner so he needed a win over a top rated contender to get back
in the title picture. It wasn't guareenteed as Quarry had won six
fights in a row including wins over Lyle and Shavers, Jerry was on a roll. We
Quarry fans were confident of the fact that Jerry had a very good chance of
avenging his earlier loss to Frazier.Nobody who was around when the
second Frazier/Quarry fight happened knew it would turn out to be an easier
fight for Frazier than the first one before it happened and we can't say Frazier
wasn't taking a big chance going in by looking at how it actually turned
out.One thing I agree with Noam and Angelo is that Frazier's camp
thought he could beat Foreman going into the fight. So beforehand, how
would they know Frazier might be vunerable to big punchers as he was beating
everyone they put in front of him including hard punchers like Bonevena, Quarry,
and Chuvalo. Yes Bonevena did put Frazier down but Frazier got up and pulled
off the win.I don't think we can count Joe getting knocked down in about
his third pro fight by an unknown as any fighter can get knocked down at any
time. I doubt his management gave that much thought later on as Joe got up to